Israel’s military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.

The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.

“Ask Hamas if you can have some,” the IDF wrote.

  • @Thrillhouse@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    228 months ago

    I feel for the civilians caught in the middle. Now is not the time to be hard headed about asking a terrorist group to do what’s right. Obviously they don’t care and the civilians are being punished too. Being callous about their suffering doesn’t solve the situation… it just feeds into the terrorist narrative.

      • @Thrillhouse@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        248 months ago

        Idk maybe when there’s not a huge humanitarian crisis. Gotta deal with the humanitarian crisis first or find somewhere for these people to go with actual resources for them. I wouldn’t want to be operated on in a hospital without electricity or anaesthesia, and I’m certainly not wishing that on civilians here.

        Asking despotic governments in charge to do what’s right never works. Why should civilians be punished?

        • dumdum666
          link
          fedilink
          -288 months ago

          Why should civilians be punished?

          Good questions you are asking.

          Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.

          You essentially want to allow Hamas to steal even more fuel that is then used for Rocket attacks. And no, those rockets are not harmless, they are made to kill and maim civilians.

          Let us entertain the thought, that Israel would allow fuel delivery for humanitarian purposes only. Who is going to defend that fuel against Hamas within the Gaza Strip? You?

          • TheDankHold
            link
            fedilink
            218 months ago

            The irony is that all this fluff is you justifying why Israeli citizens are worth more. Just because terrorists kill civilians doesn’t give one the right to callously allow the death of yet more innocent civilians.

            They both matter, which is what we’re saying when we speak out against Israel’s policy of collective punishment.

          • @lingh0e@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            178 months ago

            Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.

            That’s not what the argument boils down to. They didn’t write it like that because that wasn’t a position they were taking. You wrote it like that because you want that to be the case. That says more about you and your character.

            Civilians should not be used as fodder by either side.

            Do you disagree?

          • NoneOfUrBusiness
            link
            fedilink
            98 months ago

            Well the logical step forward would be a negotiated peace that includes lifting the blockade so Gazans don’t have a reason to launch rocket attacks. That was the idea in 2008 and 2012, only a country whose name starts with Israel didn’t follow through with it. As seen from this attack, the current Israeli policy on Palestine is a colossal failure on multiple levels, so something needs to change,

            • @mwguy@infosec.pub
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -28 months ago

              And if say, the blockade is lifted and even more rockets start to be delivered and fired at Israel. What would happen in the negotiated peace?

              • NoneOfUrBusiness
                link
                fedilink
                08 months ago

                The blockade would be reinstated, with Gazans being told that it’ll only be lifted if Hamas is replaced, would be the logical step towards peace. But we’ve already had two of these before; we don’t need to do what-ifs. Hamas followed the 2012 ceasefire for more than a year even though Israel showed no signs of lifting the blockade or otherwise following the ceasefire.

                • @mwguy@infosec.pub
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  28 months ago

                  Force Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, and Turkey to pay $1M to Israel for every rocket launched by Gaza and the blockade would be lifted tomorrow.

                  The issue is that Hamas continues to stockpile weapons, and the weakness of the Iron Dome system is in the number of projectiles that it can respond to. The system can be overwhelmed by constant fire (that’s what happened in 2012 and 2014 that sparked the conflicts). The blockade slows how quickly Hamas can collect that many weapons and decreases the amount of conflict that those rockets will cause.

                  • NoneOfUrBusiness
                    link
                    fedilink
                    -18 months ago

                    The blockade slows how quickly Hamas can collect that many weapons and decreases the amount of conflict that those rockets will cause.

                    The blockade is the source of the modern Gaza-Israel conflict. It’s the reason there are rocket attacks in the first place.

          • @spittingimage@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            6
            edit-2
            8 months ago

            Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.

            *Honk*

            Straw man. Five minute timeout.

          • @ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            08 months ago

            The headline is about Israel telling the UN to ask Hamas for fuel. You’re presupposing that Hamas is going to steal Hamas’s own fuel from the UN.

            You must be working for Hamas because you’re certainly not doing Israel any favors with the quality of that rhetoric.

        • @SCB@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          -178 months ago

          They aren’t being ethnically cleansed, but I still don’t think it’s a good time.

            • @SCB@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -98 months ago

              They not only aren’t expelled, they literally cannot leave because no one will take them in.

              • @Gutless2615@ttrpg.network
                link
                fedilink
                English
                9
                edit-2
                8 months ago

                Your position is that Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip are not being told to leave their homes or risk being bombed to kingdom come?

                Also how much land did Palestinians hold in 1968 vs today? Just wondering.

                • @SCB@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  -4
                  edit-2
                  8 months ago

                  If your house catches on fire and the fire department tells you to evacuate, you are not being expelled. Gazans can come back north after the military operation. They aren’t even being forced to leave at all - it’s just a really bad idea to stick around where there will be city fighting.

                  Words have actual meanings.

                  Palestinians held zero land in 1968 because they never had any land in the first place. Also you mean 1967, or maybe 1966, if you mean while the area recognized as Palestine when it was currently Egypt and Jordan, respectively.

                  • @Gutless2615@ttrpg.network
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    48 months ago

                    Nice use of the passive voice there. “If your house catches on fire”… and if the “firemen” in your analogy are lighting the fire, doesn’t your analogy break down a bit?

                  • NoneOfUrBusiness
                    link
                    fedilink
                    -38 months ago

                    Gazans can come back north after the military operation.

                    Historically when things like this happened they weren’t allowed to come back. Israel has done this before (though not to this scale).

          • NoneOfUrBusiness
            link
            fedilink
            88 months ago

            What? Israel has actively stated Gaza’s territory would go down after the war, and there are honest to God pogroms going on right now in the West Bank (as if settlement wasn’t already ethnic cleansing enough).