I think the point is that we saw just two weeks ago the methods that Hamas would use to un-exist Israel, so it’s not that hard to read between the lines of what people mean when they say that Israel should not exist.
We’re the Jewish homeland. Everyone else can eat shit" needs to exist.
This isn’t really an accurate description of Israel though. Israel isn’t the multi-ethnic paradise it should be, but Israeli Arabs have full legal rights and are pretty well-integrated. An Israeli Arab medic was actually murdered at the music festival when he approached Hamas members in an attempt to negotiate with them.
I would agree that Israel should not make full legal rights dependent on being a Jew, but it doesn’t do that, even though there are some actions it’s taken, particularly under Netanyahu, to tie Israeli identity more strictly to Judaism. That stuff pisses off quite a lot of secular Israelis as well.
And philosophical quibbling about the role of nation states aside, the fact of the matter is that Israel does exist and it’s people are not going to go anywhere. Given that Hamas’ explicit aim is to murder them all, Israel is going to do anything and everything to resist them. Palestinian statehood cannot and will never proceed if it’s dependent on the violent eradication of Israel. Fortunately, it does not need to depend on that, though Israel must do more to facilitate an actual peaceful conclusion, such as dismantling settlements. But regardless, violence is simply not a productive option for the Palestinian cause, and it never will be. It must be abandoned.
I would agree that Israel should not make full legal rights dependent on being a Jew, but it doesn’t do that,
It doesn’t on paper, but Arabs face discrimination by the government in many aspect of their lives, from education to building permits to how likely they are to get killed by the police (since 1948 the only protestors to get killed by the police have been Arabs).
Given that Hamas’ explicit aim is to murder them all, Israel is going to do anything and everything to resist them.
Didn’t they change that part of their charter in 2017? I mean, they’ve wanted a ceasefire since the very beginning of this mess (and got two in 2008 and 2012 that fell apart due to Israel not following them), but they made it official that they want a 2-state solution in 2017.
But regardless, violence is simply not a productive option for the Palestinian cause, and it never will be. It must be abandoned.
The thing is that, seeing the state of the West Bank (and before that how the Oslo accords failed), non-violence is also not working. We all want non-violence to work, but in the past 20 years Israel has given no indication that they’re interested in a solution, violent or nonviolent, to the conflict…
The PLO abandoned violence 30 years ago. It didn’t work, which is why people flocked to Hamas.
I think the point is that we saw just two weeks ago the methods that Hamas would use to un-exist Israel, so it’s not that hard to read between the lines of what people mean when they say that Israel should not exist.
This isn’t really an accurate description of Israel though. Israel isn’t the multi-ethnic paradise it should be, but Israeli Arabs have full legal rights and are pretty well-integrated. An Israeli Arab medic was actually murdered at the music festival when he approached Hamas members in an attempt to negotiate with them.
I would agree that Israel should not make full legal rights dependent on being a Jew, but it doesn’t do that, even though there are some actions it’s taken, particularly under Netanyahu, to tie Israeli identity more strictly to Judaism. That stuff pisses off quite a lot of secular Israelis as well.
And philosophical quibbling about the role of nation states aside, the fact of the matter is that Israel does exist and it’s people are not going to go anywhere. Given that Hamas’ explicit aim is to murder them all, Israel is going to do anything and everything to resist them. Palestinian statehood cannot and will never proceed if it’s dependent on the violent eradication of Israel. Fortunately, it does not need to depend on that, though Israel must do more to facilitate an actual peaceful conclusion, such as dismantling settlements. But regardless, violence is simply not a productive option for the Palestinian cause, and it never will be. It must be abandoned.
It doesn’t on paper, but Arabs face discrimination by the government in many aspect of their lives, from education to building permits to how likely they are to get killed by the police (since 1948 the only protestors to get killed by the police have been Arabs).
Didn’t they change that part of their charter in 2017? I mean, they’ve wanted a ceasefire since the very beginning of this mess (and got two in 2008 and 2012 that fell apart due to Israel not following them), but they made it official that they want a 2-state solution in 2017.
The thing is that, seeing the state of the West Bank (and before that how the Oslo accords failed), non-violence is also not working. We all want non-violence to work, but in the past 20 years Israel has given no indication that they’re interested in a solution, violent or nonviolent, to the conflict…
The PLO abandoned violence 30 years ago. It didn’t work, which is why people flocked to Hamas.