• @Wogi@lemmy.world
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    -71 year ago

    It’s it just the thing to call anything you disagree with propaganda now?

    There are problems with this at scale that just don’t exist in small experiments.

    Does it really take research to say “more money=more better for people with no money?”

    That’s not the issue, and won’t be the issue with full scale implementation. The problem arises when everyone knows that literally everyone has X extra dollars to spend every month, and they think those dollars rightfully belong to them. You can’t simply hand out extra money to every person and expect that to solve any societal problems. If you’re trying to address systematic problems then you need to actually address those problems. UBI is a crutch that quickly loses it’s effectiveness, but can’t be dropped once it’s no longer effective.

      • WalrusDragonOnABike
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        21 year ago

        Given their claim is about large-scale (well beyond the scale that had been experimented with*) implementation, obviously there’s no research on it. I think there is a bit of an issue of inflation reducing the effectiveness of the money, particularly in the short-term. New houses aren’t just going to pop up overnight just because every homeless person has more money and many vacant homes aren’t in the locations or price ranges they can afford. If you make macro 101 level assumptions, long-term with more demand for basic goods, its possible that their prices will be higher than people going without those basic necessities if costs increase with increased production. But they could also be cheaper long-term depending on the economies of scale. I think real-world assumptions would tend towards higher prices because real pricing is more about what people will pay than how much it costs to produce, but if you’re using those assumptions, you’re still going to have an equilibrium where more people are getting more basic goods, not an equilibrium where the money just doesn’t do anything anymore.

        *some people will always just claim it hasn’t been done on a large enough scale for the effects they worry about to materialize until its don’t federally in the US, the entire EU, or some similar scale.

        • Maeve
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          21 year ago

          Elimination of the stock market would address a lot.

    • Maeve
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      11 year ago

      Ignoring the fact that ubi addresses a systemic problem. Yes, other problems need to be addressed, but when you’re hungry and homeless, income can quickly address immediate needs.