And some of you present here will not taste death before all these things comes to past.
And here we still are as we read those words.
Well tell them to come here and argue instead of sending someone who can’t support their own argument.
I haven’t supported my own arguments, eh? I guess the Bible isn’t the only one with revisionist history.
Dartmouth
Pertinacious.
“When I say Dartmouth to you do you think “mouth of the Dart river” or do you think of the famous school there?”
Personally, I think of the school. But that’s irrelevant because when I look into the word itself I can find all the information about the word and where it came from, why it was used, etc. I understand what you’re trying to say. You’re implying that the words had an original meaning long before the Bible was written, and that the meaning had changed by the time of the Bible to mean “hell” as a place of eternal torture.
But that’s not the case, and most scholars agree that both She’ol and Ge’henna (two words often associated with hell, and even translated as “hell” in some Bibles) did not refer to a place of torment or an afterlife at the time of writing. And those viewpoints are supported by other parts of the Bible.
If you see the words “It is right”, you know it could mean “morally just” or “a relative direction”. By itself it’s ambiguous. But if in the next sentence you see “Be sure to not go left”, then with the context you know that’s a direction. This is a simplistic example, and the words She’ol and Ge’hanna are not ambiguous, but I’m illustrating that with additional context the meaning is revealed, and we see that with the other verses in the Bible.
Yes Jewish writings that make it clearly to be hell.
You keep saying this, and I haven’t seen you cited a source or shown some kind of supporting evidence (unless I genuinely missed it). Your comments are “trust me bro” and “nuh-uh!”.
and most scholars agree that both She’ol and Ge’henna (two words often associated with hell, and even translated as “hell” in some Bibles) did not refer to a place of torment or an afterlife at the time of writing. And those viewpoints are supported by other parts of the Bible.
Argument from authority.
Your comments are “trust me bro” and “nuh-uh!”.
I see we don’t know how “” work. I told you to go read the Talmud already and you didn’t even put that supposed language ability you have work.
Really? You’re gonna pull that one and nitpick about proper grammatical use of double quotes?
I told you to go read the Talmud already and you didn’t even put that supposed language ability you have work.
What’s the point? You want me to read it to satisfy this argument? You know it’s a unreasonable and unattainable request just on the merit of the volume of reading alone, all for a “Reddit” debate. But you’ll just position it as me not putting in the requisite work to approach your level of knowledge. It’s the same argument flat earthers make when they say “show us an actual picture of a round spinning ball”, but when presented with a satellite photo they just claim it’s CGI, so they insist “if you didn’t take the photo yourself, then you don’t have any proof”. Because it’s obviously ridiculous for an average person to muster the finances and resources to get into orbit and take a photo just to win an argument with a flat earther.
I’m not going to read the Talmud based on your insistence, and frankly you already knew that. Which is why you said it so that you can try to chock it up as a “win”. You do you.
And here we still are as we read those words.
I haven’t supported my own arguments, eh? I guess the Bible isn’t the only one with revisionist history.
Pertinacious.
“When I say Dartmouth to you do you think “mouth of the Dart river” or do you think of the famous school there?”
Personally, I think of the school. But that’s irrelevant because when I look into the word itself I can find all the information about the word and where it came from, why it was used, etc. I understand what you’re trying to say. You’re implying that the words had an original meaning long before the Bible was written, and that the meaning had changed by the time of the Bible to mean “hell” as a place of eternal torture.
But that’s not the case, and most scholars agree that both She’ol and Ge’henna (two words often associated with hell, and even translated as “hell” in some Bibles) did not refer to a place of torment or an afterlife at the time of writing. And those viewpoints are supported by other parts of the Bible.
If you see the words “It is right”, you know it could mean “morally just” or “a relative direction”. By itself it’s ambiguous. But if in the next sentence you see “Be sure to not go left”, then with the context you know that’s a direction. This is a simplistic example, and the words She’ol and Ge’hanna are not ambiguous, but I’m illustrating that with additional context the meaning is revealed, and we see that with the other verses in the Bible.
You keep saying this, and I haven’t seen you cited a source or shown some kind of supporting evidence (unless I genuinely missed it). Your comments are “trust me bro” and “nuh-uh!”.
Argument from authority.
I see we don’t know how “” work. I told you to go read the Talmud already and you didn’t even put that supposed language ability you have work.
Well, do you have one?
Really? You’re gonna pull that one and nitpick about proper grammatical use of double quotes?
What’s the point? You want me to read it to satisfy this argument? You know it’s a unreasonable and unattainable request just on the merit of the volume of reading alone, all for a “Reddit” debate. But you’ll just position it as me not putting in the requisite work to approach your level of knowledge. It’s the same argument flat earthers make when they say “show us an actual picture of a round spinning ball”, but when presented with a satellite photo they just claim it’s CGI, so they insist “if you didn’t take the photo yourself, then you don’t have any proof”. Because it’s obviously ridiculous for an average person to muster the finances and resources to get into orbit and take a photo just to win an argument with a flat earther.
I’m not going to read the Talmud based on your insistence, and frankly you already knew that. Which is why you said it so that you can try to chock it up as a “win”. You do you.