They don’t work on evidence. They work on vibes. They believe what they believe because they want to, not because it makes sense.
This is the big one. They start with a conclusion then go on a scavenger hunt for anything that agrees with it. And as we all know, you can find anything on the Internet.
And where a more reasonable person might see how hard it is to find a reputable source that supports your claim and deduce that maybe the information isn’t out there because the theory is wrong… instead these people run to the conclusion of “if the information isn’t readily available out there to support my idea, it’s because it’s being suppressed in a big conspiracy!”.
These are usually the same people for whom the government is somehow both completely inept, bumbling, and stupid while also being capable of carrying out the most widespread, comprehensive, flawless conspiracy ever imagined.
It’s hard to say, because we’re talking about a hypothetical where they actually learned this stuff as kids. If they properly understood the material, maybe they’d end up being logical and sensible.
No, you have to meet people where they are. You have to question their position until it becomes untenable and they give up. It never feels like a victory, but you have to hope that eventually it will make a difference…
Honestly that is exactly the wrong way to do that. It will never work to question a position of someone so entrenched. If you are really interested in this look up cult deprogramming.
Honestly? I’ve found that people on both sides of these arguments can be people who aren’t working with evidence, but are basing it off of “vibes”, or even hearsay.
It really depends on what you are talking about. Arguments from the other (non fully vibes) side change depending on if they are arguing a tankie, antivaxxer, flat earther, or other conspiracy theorist… et cetera.
Do you think that the people who believe in this bullshit wouldn’t believe it if they were provided evidence or something?
They don’t work on evidence. They work on vibes. They believe what they believe because they want to, not because it makes sense.
That’s why it’s so hard to argue with these idiots. You can’t logic a dumbass out of a position they didn’t logic themselves into.
Well said.
This is the big one. They start with a conclusion then go on a scavenger hunt for anything that agrees with it. And as we all know, you can find anything on the Internet.
And where a more reasonable person might see how hard it is to find a reputable source that supports your claim and deduce that maybe the information isn’t out there because the theory is wrong… instead these people run to the conclusion of “if the information isn’t readily available out there to support my idea, it’s because it’s being suppressed in a big conspiracy!”.
These are usually the same people for whom the government is somehow both completely inept, bumbling, and stupid while also being capable of carrying out the most widespread, comprehensive, flawless conspiracy ever imagined.
It’s hard to say, because we’re talking about a hypothetical where they actually learned this stuff as kids. If they properly understood the material, maybe they’d end up being logical and sensible.
As they are now though, yeah, it’s a lost cause.
It can also depend individually and on their upbringing.
My hope is that education can get anyone out of that kind of upbringing
Sounds like arguing with a religious person.
No, you have to meet people where they are. You have to question their position until it becomes untenable and they give up. It never feels like a victory, but you have to hope that eventually it will make a difference…
Honestly that is exactly the wrong way to do that. It will never work to question a position of someone so entrenched. If you are really interested in this look up cult deprogramming.
That’s called “sea lioning” now, though.
You can do that, and I wish you luck
If you argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Reminds me of the one about the pigeon playing chess.
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Honestly? I’ve found that people on both sides of these arguments can be people who aren’t working with evidence, but are basing it off of “vibes”, or even hearsay.
It really depends on what you are talking about. Arguments from the other (non fully vibes) side change depending on if they are arguing a tankie, antivaxxer, flat earther, or other conspiracy theorist… et cetera.