When invoking experts (thought you Brexiteers had enough of experts), you should reference you sources. But that map doesn’t have Britain standing out from Europe. Brexit has damaged the EU and Britain. It hurt us worse, but has hurt them too.
There is no Lexit. It’s part of the ill defined Brexit blob that was all things to all people, but really, was a play for deep deregulation and racism. Though even the racism, was really just part of the play for deregulation.
Your map shows some places are improving. Though I don’t trust unlabeled sources. It is also a relative measurement not absolute. If your country is massively rich but is slightly contracting, you life will probably be better, than in a massively poor country that is strongly improving.
EU countries also struggling doesn’t help us at all. Less demand for our goods. It’s one of lies of Brexit, that economic gravity doesn’t exist. Our neighbors’ fate is always going to be part of our fate.
There is lexit. A third of left wing voters votes for it. Labour are about to get into power.
Only an idiot would expect the Tories to deliver it. It’s a long term process. Undoing the environmental damage that the CAP has wrought will take decades.
The facts are facts, the economic effects are minimal. If you don’t change your opinion based on facts, then you’re left with beliefs. Good luck with that.
You might want Lexit to be a thing, but you, along with many other types of Brexit voter, have been baited and switched. Vote with nutty Tories, get nutty Tories.
Facts are facts. Brexit has hurt us. No serious economist is saying otherwise. Just nutty Tories.
Brexit has been disruptive, nothing like covid or war though.
It’s destroyed cruel live export businesses. It’s destroyed farmers’ business models of having to do stupid farming otherwise they lose 65% of their income.
I don’t give a shit about the tiny minority of companies that export to the EU.
I care about the impact of agriculture and the marine environment. The common policies are a fucking disaster. Incapable of being reformed.
The UK agriculture policy is already better, and that’s a weak Tory effort. I believe that Labour will implement it more effectively over the next decade.
Here are the economic facts, the UK has recovered faster than Germany or France since covid and brexit. The brexit effect is fuck all. Since the ONS revised the data, that narrative of the worst G7 performer is dead. If you actually understood the economics, you wouldn’t be spouting this bullshit
Do you know any farmers? Brexit has not been good to them and they are watching the deregulations of imports with great fear. They can not compete with the lower standards and much larger scale farming of outside Europe.
If you claim to care about animal welfare, you should be supporting British livestock farming, because in most places, animal welfare is much worse. Meat demand is not going away so you want to serve that demand with high standards.
The deregulation following Brexit has meant we are using pesticides now band in the EU. Just yesterday I was talking to someone who told me in their village, many of the bee hives died straight after a near by farm sprayed their fields. Our environmental records has got worse since Brexit. Sure Labour might up the standards, but when the Conservatives are back in, they will cut them again.
It is now not only harder and more expensive to export to the EU, but also import. And that’s before we acturally implement checks outside.
Please reference your sources when you link in graphs are claim to be referencing experts. Soures matter, for example, if it’s the Daily Mail, it’s almost certainly unreliable. If it’s The Guardian or Independent, it’s probably well researched.
No serious economist think Brexit has gone well. It has been worse for the UK than Covid and Russia’s war. I don’t where you are getting your economics.
I follow economics a bit as a long time listener of Tim Harper, Planet Money and Freakonimics. Read a few books on it. I’m not a expert, but I’m not the average either.
Yes, I work in agtech. There have been no deregulations of imports… Lots of scare stories about beef from Australia, but no one with half a brain thinks they would export beef here when they can get better prices in Asia
Nope. I support cultured meat and other protein sources.
The checks will never be implemented as per the TCA, why would they? We didn’t need checks before
I have provided sources on every link… they are either ons or world bank data dyor
No serious economist think Brexit has gone well. It has been worse for the UK than Covid and Russia’s war. I don’t where you are getting your economics.
Australia, or where ever, will export where export it is profitable to do so. The problem is not just the lower meat standard, but the unfairness on British farmers still at a higher standard and unable to operate at the same scale. We need food security so can’t just let British farmers go to the wall.
I have high hopes of cultured meat, precision fermentation and vertical farms. I like to product most/all food outside of nature like this. Controlling input and outputs and return all that farm land to nature to fight climate change. But we aren’t there yet.
Maybe this a Lemmy thing, but your sources come to me as just an image link. There is no context of the article or paper they are from. To source properly, you should do the page link as well or instead of just the graph you want.
When invoking experts (thought you Brexiteers had enough of experts), you should reference you sources. But that map doesn’t have Britain standing out from Europe. Brexit has damaged the EU and Britain. It hurt us worse, but has hurt them too.
Lexiter.
If everywhere is fucked, nowhere is fucked
Capiche?
It’s just the degree of fuckedness. UK is not performing badly compared to its peers, ergo brexit is not affecting the UK on a macro scale.
Edit. The source is the Bloomberg article I linked above
There is no Lexit. It’s part of the ill defined Brexit blob that was all things to all people, but really, was a play for deep deregulation and racism. Though even the racism, was really just part of the play for deregulation.
Your map shows some places are improving. Though I don’t trust unlabeled sources. It is also a relative measurement not absolute. If your country is massively rich but is slightly contracting, you life will probably be better, than in a massively poor country that is strongly improving.
EU countries also struggling doesn’t help us at all. Less demand for our goods. It’s one of lies of Brexit, that economic gravity doesn’t exist. Our neighbors’ fate is always going to be part of our fate.
There is lexit. A third of left wing voters votes for it. Labour are about to get into power.
Only an idiot would expect the Tories to deliver it. It’s a long term process. Undoing the environmental damage that the CAP has wrought will take decades.
The facts are facts, the economic effects are minimal. If you don’t change your opinion based on facts, then you’re left with beliefs. Good luck with that.
You might want Lexit to be a thing, but you, along with many other types of Brexit voter, have been baited and switched. Vote with nutty Tories, get nutty Tories.
Facts are facts. Brexit has hurt us. No serious economist is saying otherwise. Just nutty Tories.
Brexit has been disruptive, nothing like covid or war though.
It’s destroyed cruel live export businesses. It’s destroyed farmers’ business models of having to do stupid farming otherwise they lose 65% of their income.
I don’t give a shit about the tiny minority of companies that export to the EU.
I care about the impact of agriculture and the marine environment. The common policies are a fucking disaster. Incapable of being reformed.
The UK agriculture policy is already better, and that’s a weak Tory effort. I believe that Labour will implement it more effectively over the next decade.
Here are the economic facts, the UK has recovered faster than Germany or France since covid and brexit. The brexit effect is fuck all. Since the ONS revised the data, that narrative of the worst G7 performer is dead. If you actually understood the economics, you wouldn’t be spouting this bullshit
Do you know any farmers? Brexit has not been good to them and they are watching the deregulations of imports with great fear. They can not compete with the lower standards and much larger scale farming of outside Europe.
If you claim to care about animal welfare, you should be supporting British livestock farming, because in most places, animal welfare is much worse. Meat demand is not going away so you want to serve that demand with high standards.
The deregulation following Brexit has meant we are using pesticides now band in the EU. Just yesterday I was talking to someone who told me in their village, many of the bee hives died straight after a near by farm sprayed their fields. Our environmental records has got worse since Brexit. Sure Labour might up the standards, but when the Conservatives are back in, they will cut them again.
It is now not only harder and more expensive to export to the EU, but also import. And that’s before we acturally implement checks outside.
Please reference your sources when you link in graphs are claim to be referencing experts. Soures matter, for example, if it’s the Daily Mail, it’s almost certainly unreliable. If it’s The Guardian or Independent, it’s probably well researched.
No serious economist think Brexit has gone well. It has been worse for the UK than Covid and Russia’s war. I don’t where you are getting your economics.
I follow economics a bit as a long time listener of Tim Harper, Planet Money and Freakonimics. Read a few books on it. I’m not a expert, but I’m not the average either.
Yes, I work in agtech. There have been no deregulations of imports… Lots of scare stories about beef from Australia, but no one with half a brain thinks they would export beef here when they can get better prices in Asia
Nope. I support cultured meat and other protein sources.
The checks will never be implemented as per the TCA, why would they? We didn’t need checks before
I have provided sources on every link… they are either ons or world bank data dyor
😂😂 🤡
Show me some stats that prove your nonsense
Australia, or where ever, will export where export it is profitable to do so. The problem is not just the lower meat standard, but the unfairness on British farmers still at a higher standard and unable to operate at the same scale. We need food security so can’t just let British farmers go to the wall.
I have high hopes of cultured meat, precision fermentation and vertical farms. I like to product most/all food outside of nature like this. Controlling input and outputs and return all that farm land to nature to fight climate change. But we aren’t there yet.
Maybe this a Lemmy thing, but your sources come to me as just an image link. There is no context of the article or paper they are from. To source properly, you should do the page link as well or instead of just the graph you want.
As for my own sources, literally just today’s Brexit import problem news : https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/01/uk-admits-extra-330m-a-year-charges-post-brexit-food-imports
First result of all the factors mentioned: https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-recession-wrong-economy-brexit-pandemic-russia-war-ukraine-1953142
To think Brexit is a success, you can’t be reading / listening to any of the same podcasts or newpapers as me.