In Italy whatever active use of a phone is banned already by the law. If an officer sees you with a phone they can stop you and issue a fine. Stil its not enforced enough
Do you not see me arguing for phones to lock features when in cars or whatever elsewhere?
We have been increasing penalties for phones, we have deployed automated surveillance cameras that issue fines for using a phone at lights, it’s not working making it double triple illegal wont do jack shit.
There are rapidly diminising returns with severity of punishment, separation between punishment and action, and perception of not getting caught.
Unless you want to live in a totalitarian surveillance state where cops can wank to live feeds from our vehicles we need to put the responsibility on the makers of the stupid distraction boxes and toddler crushing machines by using regulations to make the devices safer.
could you enforce that though? just drive an older car and/or don’t pair your phone to the stereo.
Education campaigns could help, as you say it’s the responsibility of the end user here, but I just think tech-gated solutions won’t get us far enough, if at all.
We’re already in a totalitarian surveillance state tbh, we’re talking about what to do with our personal surveillance devices while we operate heavy machinery, most of which is fitted with dashcams as well
You don’t really need to enforce it at the end user level.
You’re not trying to stop reckless Teddy who drives drunk and texts while masturbating. You’re trying to stop people who otherwise have good intentions making a poor decision because of a distracting alert, a passing impulse etc.
It’s like a seatbelt alarm. you can ignore it, you can disconnect the chime, you can stuff foam into the speaker. Nobody does, it’s to help people who were probably going to put on a seatbelt anyway make that call, in case they forgot or were going to give it a miss for the short 50 m “just moving the car” drive etc.
It helps, the world isn’t white or black. Many people stops doing things because those things are illegal. Then I agree that there will always be some people doing the bad and some people doing the good regardless of the law.
In Italy whatever active use of a phone is banned already by the law. If an officer sees you with a phone they can stop you and issue a fine. Stil its not enforced enough
banning stuff doesn’t stop it. see tax evasion or fascism
“If it isn’t 100% mitigation then nothing should be done lol”
it’s already illegal you goose. People still use phones while driving. Safety needs to be designed into things, you can’t fine it into existence.
What is your answer to that? Do nothing else?
Fines and regulations and especially taxes do shape behavior and always have, “you goose.”
Do you not see me arguing for phones to lock features when in cars or whatever elsewhere?
We have been increasing penalties for phones, we have deployed automated surveillance cameras that issue fines for using a phone at lights, it’s not working making it double triple illegal wont do jack shit.
There are rapidly diminising returns with severity of punishment, separation between punishment and action, and perception of not getting caught.
Unless you want to live in a totalitarian surveillance state where cops can wank to live feeds from our vehicles we need to put the responsibility on the makers of the stupid distraction boxes and toddler crushing machines by using regulations to make the devices safer.
could you enforce that though? just drive an older car and/or don’t pair your phone to the stereo.
Education campaigns could help, as you say it’s the responsibility of the end user here, but I just think tech-gated solutions won’t get us far enough, if at all.
We’re already in a totalitarian surveillance state tbh, we’re talking about what to do with our personal surveillance devices while we operate heavy machinery, most of which is fitted with dashcams as well
You don’t really need to enforce it at the end user level.
You’re not trying to stop reckless Teddy who drives drunk and texts while masturbating. You’re trying to stop people who otherwise have good intentions making a poor decision because of a distracting alert, a passing impulse etc.
It’s like a seatbelt alarm. you can ignore it, you can disconnect the chime, you can stuff foam into the speaker. Nobody does, it’s to help people who were probably going to put on a seatbelt anyway make that call, in case they forgot or were going to give it a miss for the short 50 m “just moving the car” drive etc.
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It helps, the world isn’t white or black. Many people stops doing things because those things are illegal. Then I agree that there will always be some people doing the bad and some people doing the good regardless of the law.
phone usage is already illegal. Obvs more is necessary
That’s a self-own if I ever saw one.
Banning stuff does stop it, see Hitler (existing) or horses on highways.
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Yeah. Shouldn’t even bother with laws against murder. Doesn’t stop people killing each other.