• Hot Saucerman
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    1 year ago

    If you trust Telegram you’re naive. Here is a great breakdown earlier this year from Kaspersky.

    https://usa.kaspersky.com/blog/telegram-why-nobody-uses-secret-chats/27662/

    Signal isn’t perfect either, but their mistakes are far less egregious. They also have removed some of the more egregious mistakes, like needing a phone number (edit: incorrect, see below) or google play services to function. It can be run on a device without Google Play Services because it only uses Google Play Services for push notifications.

    • plz1
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      111 year ago

      Since when does Signal not require a phone number?

      • Hot Saucerman
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        91 year ago

        Earlier this year. It no longer functions as an SMS service and you now have a username instead. I think the changeover was in March or April.

        • quaff
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          231 year ago

          Hm? Not sure which Signal you’re using. But it very much still requires a phone number to use. Usernames are not available just yet. There’s activity related to usernames in the GitHub repository, but no release yet.

          They did remove the ability to send and receive SMS from their Android app. That was about last year or so.

          https://signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/

        • @Rwaterhouse@lemmy.world
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          61 year ago

          Usernames have not been released yet. When they are released, phone number will still be required for registration, but you will be able to hide it from other people on Signal.

        • plz1
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          31 year ago

          I knew about the SMS thing (Android only), but thought they had yet to release user names as a feature. I see no settings related to user names on iOS. The SMS retirement was to remove the ability to use Signal to replace an SMS app on Android.

          • Hot Saucerman
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            31 year ago

            Forgive me, you’re correct. I stopped using it when it dropped SMS, because I had only ever able to get people on it through SMS, but at the time had read plans about eventually dropping the phone number requirement. I mixed those things up in my head.

            From what I understand, they’re fully invested in dropping the phone number requirement though, and some more googling says that they’ve had versions of Signal PNP (phone number privacy) running for a while now.

            You’re correct, that part hasn’t actually changed over yet, but it’s in the works.

            • @Rwaterhouse@lemmy.world
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              31 year ago

              They do not at this time intend to drop the phone number requirement, as they see it as an anti-spam measure. Meredith Whittaker has said as much. Phone number privacy is a project independent of requiring phone number at signup, and it just prevents other users from seeing your number.

            • plz1
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              31 year ago

              It is planned, and “in the works” for at least two years at this point. It’ll happen, eventually.

            • @bastion@feddit.nl
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              21 year ago

              Hehe! I was just bitching about them dropping SMS (and a crapton of users) in another post.

              It used to be the perfect app to get people into secure messaging. Now it’s just another chat app to most people, who tend to think “who really cares when you’ve got WhatsApp etc, that actually have users? Why would I want some obscure app on my phone? More shit to think about.”

    • quaff
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      81 year ago

      Thanks for the article. That’s a really good breakdown for most arguments of Telegram propagandists. 🙌

    • @Oisteink@feddit.nl
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      21 year ago

      No idea how they use GPS for push messages, but is the thing that you need to select encrypted chat and that it’s not e2ee otherwise?