You don’t always vote for what you want under FPTP. It is fairly evident through polls that most want PR voting. Until that happens you vote for what is tactically best for you.
Labour aren’t worth your vote. We need to make our own political change now.
What are my options when the most important thing for me at the next election is remove this corrupt group from office?
Your option is to get involved with direct action and mutual aid in your area. You can’t vote corruption out of power. Corruption basically is power. Vote for the least worst option, sure, but we need to do more. And I’m not talking about peaceful protest.
Because of FPTP direct action is totally ignored in the UK unless it has a bearing in the swing seat areas.
I get very annoyed at green protesters getting themselves locked up to gain attention. MPs do not give a rat’s arse. The Tories used their actions to stimy other protests with laws. Most people want to push for net zero with their protests.
We really need that PR voting system and a change in our education system. People need to understand critical thinking and how to find factual evidence. This should be done at school level imo. Above all else is PR voting. FPTP is far too easy to manipulate, which is why we have a two party state.
No, you’re not getting this, I’m guessing you don’t understand what I mean by direct action. I’m not saying that direct action will impact elections. I’m saying that elections aren’t the way we’ll change the system.
Elections are just smoke and mirrors to manufacture your consent and to make you compliant. When I say “get involved with direct action”, I don’t mean go campaigning for a better political party, I mean creating an alternative before tearing the state down.
No. Nothing to do with voting. Just forget that voting exists. Imagine that the politicians are unelected. How would you go about changing the system in that scenario? That’s how you need to be thinking, because that’s essentially the situation that we’re in.
No, it doesn’t, that’s a very narrow perspective - I’m guessing that you’re quite young and you’re not familiar with alternative systems of organising society.
There are many alternatives, but I like the idea of consensus based decision-making. It’s a little bit like direct democracy - instead of voting for people to represent you, instead you directly get to support or block decisions made about the society you live in.
For example, currently, we elect politicians to represent us, and we try to elect a politician who would solve climate change. But that doesn’t seem to work. Imagine if, instead, we could all directly vote on an idea - whether or not we should end fossil fuel subsidies, for example? That’s direct democracy, but it gets rid of electoral politics. For full context, I don’t support that kind of direct democracy, but there are countless alternatives to representative democracy, I just wanted to share one which was simple and easy to explain.
This made me smile. It infers naivety is present when clearly it is not.
Now that you have gave it a name I know exactly what you mean. Switzerland are the most prominent that I knew who use direct democracy. Full list here.
I think we need to agree to disagree on that one. I am not in favour of direct democracy because it relies on the people being educated on all issues. Brexit showing just how bad an issue can go.
I don’t know enough about the different STV systems to favour one over the other. Wales has adopted STV. Mark Drakeford speaks highly of it, but I do not understand if it is fully protected against manipulation as FPTP is. I favour a PR voting system, while keeping an open mind on STV. I dread that Labour may look at STV over PR. Simply because you will not know just how corruptible it is until someone does it.
You don’t always vote for what you want under FPTP. It is fairly evident through polls that most want PR voting. Until that happens you vote for what is tactically best for you.
What are my options when the most important thing for me at the next election is remove this corrupt group from office?
Your option is to get involved with direct action and mutual aid in your area. You can’t vote corruption out of power. Corruption basically is power. Vote for the least worst option, sure, but we need to do more. And I’m not talking about peaceful protest.
Because of FPTP direct action is totally ignored in the UK unless it has a bearing in the swing seat areas.
I get very annoyed at green protesters getting themselves locked up to gain attention. MPs do not give a rat’s arse. The Tories used their actions to stimy other protests with laws. Most people want to push for net zero with their protests.
We really need that PR voting system and a change in our education system. People need to understand critical thinking and how to find factual evidence. This should be done at school level imo. Above all else is PR voting. FPTP is far too easy to manipulate, which is why we have a two party state.
No, you’re not getting this, I’m guessing you don’t understand what I mean by direct action. I’m not saying that direct action will impact elections. I’m saying that elections aren’t the way we’ll change the system.
Elections are just smoke and mirrors to manufacture your consent and to make you compliant. When I say “get involved with direct action”, I don’t mean go campaigning for a better political party, I mean creating an alternative before tearing the state down.
Like PR voting?
No. Nothing to do with voting. Just forget that voting exists. Imagine that the politicians are unelected. How would you go about changing the system in that scenario? That’s how you need to be thinking, because that’s essentially the situation that we’re in.
No elections just means a dictatorship. Who would get to decide who runs the country.
No, it doesn’t, that’s a very narrow perspective - I’m guessing that you’re quite young and you’re not familiar with alternative systems of organising society.
There are many alternatives, but I like the idea of consensus based decision-making. It’s a little bit like direct democracy - instead of voting for people to represent you, instead you directly get to support or block decisions made about the society you live in.
For example, currently, we elect politicians to represent us, and we try to elect a politician who would solve climate change. But that doesn’t seem to work. Imagine if, instead, we could all directly vote on an idea - whether or not we should end fossil fuel subsidies, for example? That’s direct democracy, but it gets rid of electoral politics. For full context, I don’t support that kind of direct democracy, but there are countless alternatives to representative democracy, I just wanted to share one which was simple and easy to explain.
This made me smile. It infers naivety is present when clearly it is not.
Now that you have gave it a name I know exactly what you mean. Switzerland are the most prominent that I knew who use direct democracy. Full list here.
I think we need to agree to disagree on that one. I am not in favour of direct democracy because it relies on the people being educated on all issues. Brexit showing just how bad an issue can go.
I don’t know enough about the different STV systems to favour one over the other. Wales has adopted STV. Mark Drakeford speaks highly of it, but I do not understand if it is fully protected against manipulation as FPTP is. I favour a PR voting system, while keeping an open mind on STV. I dread that Labour may look at STV over PR. Simply because you will not know just how corruptible it is until someone does it.