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Unity’s new “per-install” pricing enrages the game development community | Fees of up to $0.20 per install threaten to upend large chunks of the industry.::Fees of up to $0.20 per install threaten to upend large chunks of the industry.
This is why we as consumers must demand open source software
$0.00 dollars per inStallman of godot engine.
While I’m a huge open source advocate this has little to do with open vs closed source software.
The issue of having to put up with software changes you dislike is solved when you (or 3rd parties) have the freedom to change the software in ways you like.
It is my hope that people see this as very much a proprietary vs free software issue. I hope this leads to further introspection; it’s bad when an engine does it to them so maybe but they (devs) shouldn’t do it to their users.
The problem is, free software model is actually difficult to make profit with. Red hat has long been touted as the prime example of how to do it, by selling service and support instead of software, and even they try to limit the customers’ freedom as much as possible now. Turns out a lot of people don’t need support. And the better the software the less support is needed.
I struggle to see a way to make a game engine available so that it’s free software and the customers can just take it if they don’t like your pricing policy, but still make money from developing it. Or even break even. What would the engine developers sell? What would the game developers sell if the code could just be redistributed for free?
If programming is how one earns a living then the perceived risk of earning lower (if that’s generally true, or not) will make moral arguments for free software less receptive.
Earning at distribution is not the only possible time to get funding. Godot engine gets grants from companies that request features, then devs implements them after already being paid. If that method would work for game devs, and earn enough, I can’t say.
Free software being more difficult to earn profit is the other side of the coin of proprietary software being easier (for bad reasons). Artificially limiting the availability of software so users can only get it from you makes it easier. Being able to force changes that help you financially at the users’ expense is easier. It’s my hope that proprietary software is not viable long term as users will demand software freedom, but that’s just my wish. In the short term I hope people switch from Unity to Godot.
A patron model is my personal future hope; “pay me if you want to see this game continued to be developed and get more games by me”. In the meanwhile I have a full time job, wish we had a universal basic income!
The problem with patron model is that most people don’t want to pay for something they might get some time in the future. We have tried things like gofundme and it generally has been a disappointment. Patron models works for some things, like I might pay for an entertaining content creator to keep making content, at least if the stuff isn’t also available for free, but games are not like that. It’s generally considered stupid to pay in advance for games and seeing how expensive making big games is it would require millions of people being stupid per game.
In the end the patron model in game development would mean mostly big well established companies could make money. Who would pay for an unknown new company with no well established track record? Investors wouldn’t because there would be no return later. Only idiot users would.
I hope users see a difference between preordering the lastest AAA studio’s game and donating to a community developed game {e.g. a multiplayer RPG like Veloren }. I’m an idiot who has donated a couple of times :)
As an amature game dev I have no expectation that I will get paid enough to live off. Even if I did that wouldn’t prove to others that it can be the norm. I find this preferable to joining the games industry as it is now.
Nickel and diming, dark patterns, gambling to children, rootkit anti-cheat, tying games to consoles, attacking emulation of no longer sold games, shutdown servers required to play the game you paid for. The design is very different from the coin-operated arcades days. I want to make games that repect users’ software freedom and for now I bet on users learning to value their software freedom too.
Yeah… “community developed game” very rarely turns out well. Especially if they attempt something resembling AAA content. Perpentual alpha state is the most common outcome. And when they work they typically just recreate some existing game with little creativity in terms of IP. Maybe Veloren will be the exception but nothing they show is in any way special. It seems they have already rewritten the engine entirely once. Edit: and of course it looks a lot like cubeworld and minecraft.
It’s not really difficult to create some graphics content and moving characters on some engine engine, but that’s like 5% of what it takes to make a good game. Communities are very good at the former but not so good at the remaining 95%.
Users generally want games that are fun to play and that actually work. Software freedom is very very much secondary even among those who even know what it means.
Could it be said many game companies attempts end in alpha but communities’ failures are just more transparent? A lot of games are clones of others games with just some differences? I feel the desire to create something new but don’t mind creating clones if that can work.
I’ve focused a lot on implementation but if you’re right then I think I aught to learn more about game design. It has been fun to think about designing gameplay in the past but I’ve never studied the basics.
I’ve recreated a game myself as I’d outgrown what I wrote (and rewrote it in an incompatible updated language). It’s just “connect the dots” game as a few learning experiences but I will be posting the first alpha release soon, and hopefully isn’t much after that (if one was harsh it’s basically an asset flipper).
Redhat was bought by IBM for 34 Billion dollars.
IBM knew their proprietary crap could not compete with FOSS alternatives.
Unity could make plenty of money on the asset store, and would never have to worry about Godot eating their lunch if they open-sourced their game engine. But this type of stuff will force people over to Godot.
This has everything to do with FOSS.
If a company can get away with pulling the rug on you, they will.
Once you’ve heavily invested in using a a piece of software, the company behind it has leverage over you, but if you could pay for updates to that software from another company, the original company has no leverage over you.
The only reason these companies refuse to release the source code is because they are planning on fucking you over in the future. As consumers we need to demand open source products to prevent this sort of abuse.