This is under the impression that life as a concept is good. I know personally that I’d rather never have been born. Being born isn’t some cosmic lottery that souls just float around in the void hoping they win.
As much as I’m generally on your side, that’s not honestly answering the premise, which is that those chickens do live a happy live.
I personally don’t seek so-called ethical meat because every example I’ve looked into has been a lie, and if it does exist it’s not worth my time to comb through supply lines in search for a product whose origin I would always worry about, and that I can do perfectly well without.
Imagine you’re living a happy life. One day someone comes up to you and ends that life. You don’t know why it happened, but your happy life has now been ended. How is that any less disturbing than a chicken’s experience?
I agree with the ethical meat comment. That’s why I don’t bother and just eat plants.
Me personally? No life. I don’t want to be here and even if I had the best life a human could have, I would still be contributing to suffering in some form.
It’s not melodrama and if you can’t gain any knowledge from what I’ve said, that’s on you.
I’ve not had the best experience with life and just as your experience has painted your opinion in a more positive light, mine has painted mine negatively. It doesn’t discount my view or bolster yours.
This kind of edgy comment has no place in real discussion, because of you were serious about it, you wouldn’t be able to post it because you’d be dead.
Your comment demeans and trivializes suicidal ideation.
I am a survivor of suicide, which is why I take this kind of tripe seriously.
Throwing doubts about how serious people are about suicide is important. Wanting to kill yourself is a sign of an illness, not a position one reasons themselves into.
I have CPTSD which if you or anyone reading doesn’t know is continued, long term traumatic experiences. I’m much older than my “edgy” comments seem at 42. My life experience has led to my illness, but reorganizing and unraveling the knot of that experience has led to this view of life not being something I’m happy to have to continue. The real kicker is that having stripped away the “life is worth living” propaganda has given me some peace. However, there isn’t anything on this planet that is more corrosive than happy people telling you to be happy.
So why would anyone listen to you about how to live it, especially ethically? No, really I am asking. I don’t want someone in my government heading up an agency that they don’t think should exist, or someone at my job who doesn’t want to work there, or date someone who doesn’t want to be with me.
If you don’t want to exist that is your baggage but for those of us who do why would we trust you to tell us how to exist?
Ethics is for us humans to figure out how to have a good life with other people also having one. It isn’t for serving some abstract concept. When you start the Peter Singer games you turn it from a practical art to worship of some secular idol.
I don’t expect anyone to listen to me. Read the comments here. If anything my opinion has done a pretty good job of uniting people against how I view things.
You don’t have to trust me or listen to my views. However, everyone that’s responded to me has implied that I should exist as they do.
If ethics as a concept has the job of focusing solely on humans having a good life then it’s a failure.
The ethical problem is weighing a happy life cut short vs no life at all. There’s no mathematical solution.
This is under the impression that life as a concept is good. I know personally that I’d rather never have been born. Being born isn’t some cosmic lottery that souls just float around in the void hoping they win.
As much as I’m generally on your side, that’s not honestly answering the premise, which is that those chickens do live a happy live.
I personally don’t seek so-called ethical meat because every example I’ve looked into has been a lie, and if it does exist it’s not worth my time to comb through supply lines in search for a product whose origin I would always worry about, and that I can do perfectly well without.
Imagine you’re living a happy life. One day someone comes up to you and ends that life. You don’t know why it happened, but your happy life has now been ended. How is that any less disturbing than a chicken’s experience?
I agree with the ethical meat comment. That’s why I don’t bother and just eat plants.
The question is if somehow given the choice, would you pick that over no life at all?
Me personally? No life. I don’t want to be here and even if I had the best life a human could have, I would still be contributing to suffering in some form.
You wish you’d never been born, would choose no life and think ending the life of suffering is more acceptable.
Help is available if you need it.
Thanks, but I’m not suicidal. This is just how my brain works.
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I just can’t help but dismiss out of hand these sorts of melodramatic comments that aim for maximum angst while stating nothing of value.
It’s not melodrama and if you can’t gain any knowledge from what I’ve said, that’s on you.
I’ve not had the best experience with life and just as your experience has painted your opinion in a more positive light, mine has painted mine negatively. It doesn’t discount my view or bolster yours.
This kind of edgy comment has no place in real discussion, because of you were serious about it, you wouldn’t be able to post it because you’d be dead.
Your comment demeans and trivializes suicidal ideation.
Committing suicide isn’t as easy as you apparently think it is.
I am a survivor of suicide, which is why I take this kind of tripe seriously.
Throwing doubts about how serious people are about suicide is important. Wanting to kill yourself is a sign of an illness, not a position one reasons themselves into.
I’m sorry you’ve experienced that.
I have CPTSD which if you or anyone reading doesn’t know is continued, long term traumatic experiences. I’m much older than my “edgy” comments seem at 42. My life experience has led to my illness, but reorganizing and unraveling the knot of that experience has led to this view of life not being something I’m happy to have to continue. The real kicker is that having stripped away the “life is worth living” propaganda has given me some peace. However, there isn’t anything on this planet that is more corrosive than happy people telling you to be happy.
If it gives you peace, I am happy for that. I hope we can agree to disagree and see that we both have positive intent.
So why would anyone listen to you about how to live it, especially ethically? No, really I am asking. I don’t want someone in my government heading up an agency that they don’t think should exist, or someone at my job who doesn’t want to work there, or date someone who doesn’t want to be with me.
If you don’t want to exist that is your baggage but for those of us who do why would we trust you to tell us how to exist?
Ethics is for us humans to figure out how to have a good life with other people also having one. It isn’t for serving some abstract concept. When you start the Peter Singer games you turn it from a practical art to worship of some secular idol.
I don’t expect anyone to listen to me. Read the comments here. If anything my opinion has done a pretty good job of uniting people against how I view things.
You don’t have to trust me or listen to my views. However, everyone that’s responded to me has implied that I should exist as they do.
If ethics as a concept has the job of focusing solely on humans having a good life then it’s a failure.
Citation needed.