Everybody knows that Wikipedia is literally unrefutable fact, especially on controversial or political topics. Why would someone lie or omit facts on the internet???
Next you’re going to tell me that I can’t trust CIA press releases too!!!
Usually Wikipedia is okay if, as it says, you use it as ‘a starting point for serious research, not an endpoint.’ The problem is that, in practice, roughly 95% of the people referencing it don’t use it this way and instead mistake it as a substitute for serious research.
It’s basically the Walmart of educational materials.
Everyone knows teachers love it when you use Wikipedia in school, it’s a real problem in some high schools because it’s a trick to get an easy A, if your teacher assigns you a topic for a paper you can just send them the wikipedia link for it and they’ll be forced to give you an A because you don’t actually need to do the work yourself in school
I find this one fascinating. I’m trying to follow this thought process.
“Stalin is an evil Russian Dictator! and these evil tankies worship him! Putin is also an evil Russian Dictator therefore these evil tankies will agree with anything he says because they like Russian Dictators!”
This person honestly seems to think solely in terms of “sports team politics” and doesn’t seem to understand that people can believe or not believe something based on evidence, not on what “their team” says is true.
bro you cannot be serious…“hmm why would putin and his oligarchic bros spread misinformation about socialism” dont tell me you’re one of those liberals who think russia is still socialist
Stalin was one of the socialist leaders of the USSR that was present to be the leader when the Nazis were trying to slaughter them for their race and their way of life. Stalin acted as a leader and the people emerged victorious, which helped Stalin act as an avatar representing Socialism on earth. This cult of personality was not encouraged, but the effect remained. Stalin in Russia is the human meme representation of socialism.
I won’t say that all socialist projects need to look like what Stalin created. However spreading lies about what Stalin did as a socialist leader is undermining the socialist project as a whole in Russia. Putin is an anti-communist that seeks to undermine socialism in Russia, thus he lies about Stalin.
Not getting guillotined. Why are libs completely incapable of empathising with people acting in self-serving ways? If the Russian youth are educated on the benefits of a revolution, they’ll want a revolution. If they’re told maintaining the status quo is for everyone’s benefit, they’ll want to keep the status quo where Putin is rich and headed.
You could ask the same question about the CIA or the counter revolutionary forces around the world or the Western press. Why is it that people who are part of the bourgeoisie do their best to discredit socialists efforts? Socialist theorists would say it is to distract the working class from looking beyond capitalism, creating an imaginary enemy in the alternative option that is socialism.
All bourgeois leaders and especially those in post-socialist countries have a vested interest in denigrating and slandering the political and economic system of the Soviet Union because that is the best way to prevent a resurgence of enthusiasm for socialism which is a threat to their power and the capitalist system they have built.
Gee, what would capitalist system, existing only because the previous one was brutally and unlawfully destroyed against the will of the peopl, gain on smearing that previous system.
For a culture and civilisation supposedly build on Roman roots westerners awfully rarily seem to ask fundamental question of “qui bono?”.
It’s bullshit no matter who says it - and especially a notorious anti-communist liberal like Putin - because it’s simply not borne out by the evidence.
There’s just as much the CIA can patch, Wikipedia still provide a good account of famous historical events and plenty cross links, you can search for yourself and read the individual history of many who died on gulags or that got send there. Not even the CIA can spin history 360 degrees
For starters you could read actual socialist theory but I know you won’t. If you’re truly acting in good faith, give youtuber Hakim a listen. Or The Deprogram podcast. Or Second Thought. They have various videos covering a multitude of starter* topics and they provide sources with their claims.
Edit: if you’re looking for insights on how the CIA does spin history 180 degrees (360 is a circle, btw, you’d end up at the same point) then give The Jakarta Method a read.
i love when liberals pull the commie brainwash card, as if we dont already live in a capitalist dominated world where people are taught that capitalism is the only viable economic system. Be it in a TV-series, in the News, in the Radio, in documentaries…pretty much every media-outlet when mentioning socialism treats it as a failed, murderous joke and nothing else…it is presented to us, without explanation most of the time, that socialism is evil, undemocratic, killed 100 Gorbachovillian people and that capitalism is the only economic system that “works”. We are not brainwashed you are the one feeding off liberal propaganda
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I can’t with y’all anymore
Everybody knows that Wikipedia is literally unrefutable fact, especially on controversial or political topics. Why would someone lie or omit facts on the internet??? Next you’re going to tell me that I can’t trust CIA press releases too!!!
You can’t! Except the ones where they say Stalin was the best.
Usually Wikipedia is okay if, as it says, you use it as ‘a starting point for serious research, not an endpoint.’ The problem is that, in practice, roughly 95% of the people referencing it don’t use it this way and instead mistake it as a substitute for serious research.
It’s basically the Walmart of educational materials.
Everyone knows teachers love it when you use Wikipedia in school, it’s a real problem in some high schools because it’s a trick to get an easy A, if your teacher assigns you a topic for a paper you can just send them the wikipedia link for it and they’ll be forced to give you an A because you don’t actually need to do the work yourself in school
We have no choice but to abandon communism.
Why not?
Wikipedia is notoriously untrustworthy and gets brigades heavily by the CIA, especially on topics like this.
For better sources, use this. Look for gulags and the purges you mention and see what is written.
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“babe wake up! The Dictator of a capitalist, imperialist country said that insert socialist has killed lots of people”
I find this one fascinating. I’m trying to follow this thought process.
“Stalin is an evil Russian Dictator! and these evil tankies worship him! Putin is also an evil Russian Dictator therefore these evil tankies will agree with anything he says because they like Russian Dictators!”
This person honestly seems to think solely in terms of “sports team politics” and doesn’t seem to understand that people can believe or not believe something based on evidence, not on what “their team” says is true.
No but Putin is a known conservative* anticommunist
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bro you cannot be serious…“hmm why would putin and his oligarchic bros spread misinformation about socialism” dont tell me you’re one of those liberals who think russia is still socialist
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Stalin was one of the socialist leaders of the USSR that was present to be the leader when the Nazis were trying to slaughter them for their race and their way of life. Stalin acted as a leader and the people emerged victorious, which helped Stalin act as an avatar representing Socialism on earth. This cult of personality was not encouraged, but the effect remained. Stalin in Russia is the human meme representation of socialism.
I won’t say that all socialist projects need to look like what Stalin created. However spreading lies about what Stalin did as a socialist leader is undermining the socialist project as a whole in Russia. Putin is an anti-communist that seeks to undermine socialism in Russia, thus he lies about Stalin.
Not getting guillotined. Why are libs completely incapable of empathising with people acting in self-serving ways? If the Russian youth are educated on the benefits of a revolution, they’ll want a revolution. If they’re told maintaining the status quo is for everyone’s benefit, they’ll want to keep the status quo where Putin is rich and headed.
You could ask the same question about the CIA or the counter revolutionary forces around the world or the Western press. Why is it that people who are part of the bourgeoisie do their best to discredit socialists efforts? Socialist theorists would say it is to distract the working class from looking beyond capitalism, creating an imaginary enemy in the alternative option that is socialism.
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His disdain for the soviet union, which he regularly discusses.
I am sorry are you believing in putin’s words now? Ok russiabot
All bourgeois leaders and especially those in post-socialist countries have a vested interest in denigrating and slandering the political and economic system of the Soviet Union because that is the best way to prevent a resurgence of enthusiasm for socialism which is a threat to their power and the capitalist system they have built.
Gee, what would capitalist system, existing only because the previous one was brutally and unlawfully destroyed against the will of the peopl, gain on smearing that previous system.
For a culture and civilisation supposedly build on Roman roots westerners awfully rarily seem to ask fundamental question of “qui bono?”.
It’s bullshit no matter who says it - and especially a notorious anti-communist liberal like Putin - because it’s simply not borne out by the evidence.
There’s just as much the CIA can patch, Wikipedia still provide a good account of famous historical events and plenty cross links, you can search for yourself and read the individual history of many who died on gulags or that got send there. Not even the CIA can spin history 360 degrees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra
If you have even better sources to wikipedia that’s good but your link redirect to reddit and vague articles and even to wikipedia itself
For starters you could read actual socialist theory but I know you won’t. If you’re truly acting in good faith, give youtuber Hakim a listen. Or The Deprogram podcast. Or Second Thought. They have various videos covering a multitude of starter* topics and they provide sources with their claims.
Edit: if you’re looking for insights on how the CIA does spin history 180 degrees (360 is a circle, btw, you’d end up at the same point) then give The Jakarta Method a read.
For starter you could stay on topic
??? I am staying on topic. I’m giving you all these suggestions to check out. Or did you not expect an actual answer?
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i love when liberals pull the commie brainwash card, as if we dont already live in a capitalist dominated world where people are taught that capitalism is the only viable economic system. Be it in a TV-series, in the News, in the Radio, in documentaries…pretty much every media-outlet when mentioning socialism treats it as a failed, murderous joke and nothing else…it is presented to us, without explanation most of the time, that socialism is evil, undemocratic, killed 100 Gorbachovillian people and that capitalism is the only economic system that “works”. We are not brainwashed you are the one feeding off liberal propaganda
That’s what the CPC pays me for