Your position was that it’s bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity
No, actually I was articulating someone else’s perspective, which was that advocating for greater conflict as retribution for rape is misguided, and I think it’s a reasonable perspective and not, as you and others were suggesting, evidence of faux leftism.
But good-faith representations of perspectives you disagree with doesn’t seem to be one of your strengths.
I’ve talked to too many covert Nazis who will say, “Oh, I don’t believe that Jews secretly control the world, I’m just here to tell you that some people believe it, and here’s the evidence they use.”
Don’t argue someone else’s position. If you want to talk about disingenuous, that is disingenuous.
State your own position on the rape of civilians and minors in Ukraine.
I’m personally enraged and disgusted by Russia’s invasion and brutalizing of the Ukrainian people, and I’d be happy if this war ended with the death of Putin and his allies.
But Im not naive enough to believe that’s a likely outcome. I think it’s far more likely that this war will impoverish Ukraine for the next half-century and create a generation of orphans and refugees that will never know the country that existed before this war.
I think its ethically abhorrent to cheer on its continuation, and even more, I think it’s childish and absurd to think continued US involvement in it would lead to anything beneficial for the Ukrainian people.
And I think the people who are blinded by their rage are the least qualified to cast judgement on what should be legitimate leftist geopolitical policy. The same people who are play-acting outrage against leftists being too openly violent are the ones seemingly giddy to see Ukraine being tossed near limitless weapons to add to the already half-million dead, over a conflict almost certainly created by US involvement to begin with and which is unlikely to end at all well for Ukraine. You’re advocating for the sacrifice of Ukraine for the chance to destroy Russia, and I find that more heartless and disgusting than anything anyone on Hexbear has said so far.
Woah woah, I’M running out of options?! How did you turn that back on me? You are the one who made an impossible diplomatic suggestion.
I think the US should be steering Ukraine toward diplomacy, including by limiting lethal aid. It’s irresponsible for us to continue supplying them with armaments indefinitely. That will necessarily mean making concessions to Russia in some way.
No, actually I was articulating someone else’s perspective, which was that advocating for greater conflict as retribution for rape is misguided, and I think it’s a reasonable perspective and not, as you and others were suggesting, evidence of faux leftism.
But good-faith representations of perspectives you disagree with doesn’t seem to be one of your strengths.
Someone else as in a real person?
Or a hypothetical person you made up in your head?
Does knowing who’s perspective it is really change your opinion of it? Or are you asking so you know who you can accuse of being a Russian apologist?
If it stands up to your scrutiny then I wouldn’t think it matters.
I’ve talked to too many covert Nazis who will say, “Oh, I don’t believe that Jews secretly control the world, I’m just here to tell you that some people believe it, and here’s the evidence they use.”
Don’t argue someone else’s position. If you want to talk about disingenuous, that is disingenuous.
State your own position on the rape of civilians and minors in Ukraine.
I’m personally enraged and disgusted by Russia’s invasion and brutalizing of the Ukrainian people, and I’d be happy if this war ended with the death of Putin and his allies.
But Im not naive enough to believe that’s a likely outcome. I think it’s far more likely that this war will impoverish Ukraine for the next half-century and create a generation of orphans and refugees that will never know the country that existed before this war.
I think its ethically abhorrent to cheer on its continuation, and even more, I think it’s childish and absurd to think continued US involvement in it would lead to anything beneficial for the Ukrainian people.
And I think the people who are blinded by their rage are the least qualified to cast judgement on what should be legitimate leftist geopolitical policy. The same people who are play-acting outrage against leftists being too openly violent are the ones seemingly giddy to see Ukraine being tossed near limitless weapons to add to the already half-million dead, over a conflict almost certainly created by US involvement to begin with and which is unlikely to end at all well for Ukraine. You’re advocating for the sacrifice of Ukraine for the chance to destroy Russia, and I find that more heartless and disgusting than anything anyone on Hexbear has said so far.
Who is cheering on its continuation?
Russia can just leave. Walk out. Stop the rape, stop the killing, stop the invasion. Send your soldiers home. Literally nothing would make me happier.
Then we can stop sending weapons, send them more food instead. Help them rebuild, give them homes and schools to replace the ones bombed out by Russia
Can we agree then that Russia needs to end the war by leaving Ukraine?
Sure, let’s wave our magic wand and do that, what are you waiting for!?
Well magic is not real, so that’s not an option.
You’re running out of options. Do you think America should go to war against Russia directly? What action do you support?
Woah woah, I’M running out of options?! How did you turn that back on me? You are the one who made an impossible diplomatic suggestion.
I think the US should be steering Ukraine toward diplomacy, including by limiting lethal aid. It’s irresponsible for us to continue supplying them with armaments indefinitely. That will necessarily mean making concessions to Russia in some way.