This shouldn’t come as a huge surprise. Meta is moving forward with their plans for Theads and the Fediverse, and their adjusted terms reflect a new impending reality for Fediverse users.

  • @Steeve@lemmy.ca
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    Ok, so we’re back to defederation not because of any existing tangible evidence in this circumstance, but “because it’s Meta”. It’s fine if that’s your opinion and all, but let’s stop spreading misinformation on the dangers of collecting the data required by anyone for federation.

    And if you’re here and pretending to care about data privacy at least try to do the bare minimum in understanding how the Fediverse works.

    • @Haui@discuss.tchncs.de
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      1311 months ago

      Hi, I agree that there needs to be discussion.

      But let’s be honest here. If meta made a lemmy/mastodon instance we would probably defederate them as well since every bit of data is for their financial gain and nothing else.

      I don’t see how the worlds master manipulator and anti trust poster child is even remotely worth discussing about. We have established time and time again that „meta bad“. Why would we now not just accept the fact?

      • @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
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        I think there is a bit of hysteria about Threads/Meta and some people are trying to push back. There are plenty of people in this thread that don’t fully understand federation and are knee-jerk reacting because it’s Meta.

        However, I totally agree with the sentiment being expressed, which is to keep Meta and large corporations as far away from Lemmy as possible. This is a community-run space that is a haven from the corporate internet, and indeed capitalist society in general. Protecting this space should be our highest priority.

        I feel that some of our more technical users are losing the forest for the trees in this discussion. Believe it or not, some Lemmings don’t come from a 30 year tech background and don’t fully understand how the platform, or indeed the internet as a whole, actually functions.

        This group of people, which includes me, are acting rationally by opposing any interaction with Meta on grounds of principle. We don’t know exactly what we are scared of, but we do know if there is any vulnerability or weakness that Meta is trying to exploit, they already know their plan and we won’t know until it’s too late. Meta is a terrifying behemoth just waiting for a chance to consume Lemmy. I would argue that a little bit of hysteria is justified in this case.

        Edit: just to clarify, this is more of a response to the parent comment, I think we are in agreement. I didn’t want to start another reply thread so I figured I would build off your point.

        • @Haui@discuss.tchncs.de
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          211 months ago

          Thanks for pointing that out. I‘m sort of between the two. Doing IT more or less professionally for 20+ yrs but I can’t tell you the definitive workings of the fediverse either. I understand the principles and I like them.

          Have a good one. :)

      • @Steeve@lemmy.ca
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        211 months ago

        Like I said, that’s a fine opinion to hold. What isn’t fine is the constant spinning of facts and narratives to suit a personal bias, regardless of how I feel about that bias.

    • Rikudou_SageA
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      not because of any existing tangible evidence in this circumstance

      Oh, we’re defederating exactly because of tangible evidence that Meta steals every information it can about you. I personally stripped Meta almost entirely out of my life, I definitely don’t want them crawling back just because someone else wants to use Threads.

      And if you’re here and pretending to care about data privacy at least try to do the bare minimum in understanding how the Fediverse works.

      Oh, I do. I’m my own instance admin, I work as a senior architect and grasped the concept of Fediverse quite fast.

      • @Steeve@lemmy.ca
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        not because of any existing tangible evidence in this circumstance

        If you’re going to quote me I’d appreciate if you didn’t cut out relevant parts of it to fit your argument.

        Oh, I do. I’m my own instance admin, I work as a senior architect and grasped the concept of Fediverse quite fast.

        The “you” in my comment was a generalized “you”, not you specifically.

        • Rikudou_SageA
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          If you’re going to quote me I’d appreciate if you didn’t cut out relevant parts of it to fit your argument.

          Sure, edited the comment to include it, it doesn’t change my argument at all.

          The “you” in my comment was a generalized “you”, not you specifically.

          Hard to distinguish.

      • @rbits@lemm.ee
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        It’s not tangible evidence, it’s an extrapolation based on Meta’s previous actions. I mean, it’s still pretty convincing.

        Although I do wonder if Meta would be able to get away with it legally. That might not stop Meta though.