cross-posted from: https://hcommons.social/users/adachika192/statuses/114611927184686873

Pro-Israel Figures Threaten to Kill Greta Thunberg Over Gaza Aid Mission - Quds News Network (2025-06-02)

https://qudsnen.co/pro-israel-figures-threaten-to-kill-greta-thunberg-over-gaza-aid-mission/
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>> … Greta Thunberg is facing a wave of violent threats by pro-genocide individuals after joining a Gaza-bound aid flotilla. Pro-Israel figures have called for her death or harm as she sails to challenge Israel’s siege on the devastated territory.

>> Republican Senator Lindsey Graham posted on X: “Hope Greta and her friends can swim!”…

#StopIsrael #StopGenocide #FreedomFlotilla
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe

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    Going back to the 2010 flotilla, it was 70 miles off the coast of Israel (well within the EEZ). Israel told them to to submit to inspection and that they would deliver the goods to Gaza. The flotilla refused to allow inspection in the EEZ and also refused to leave. Israel attacked and took over the ship. I’m really not sure what anyone was expecting here?

    Do you have any source of the legality of murdering many activists on that ship?

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      You can phrase it how you want, but at the end of the day they are smuggling goods in an area internationally recognized as being under the control and jurisdiction of a country. Part of nonviolent civil disobedience is that you are breaking the law. I don’t think it’s good that activists get hurt, but it’s definitely not surprising.

      In the incident a UN Panel found that the IDF boarded the Mavi Marmara and were met with resistance from ~40 of the passengers where were said to be armed with iron bars and knives.

      The panel had this to state about the actions of the flotilla:

      “However, the Panel seriously questions the true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, a coalition of non-governmental organizations. The leading group involved in the planning of the flotilla was the Turkish NGO “İnsan Hak ve Hürriyetleri Vakfı” (IHH), a humanitarian organization. It owned two of the ships; the Mavi Marmara and the Gazze I. There is some suggestion that it has provided support to Hamas, although the Panel does not have sufficient information to assess that allegation. IHH has special consultative status with ECOSOC, a status which in the Panel’s view raises a certain expectation with respect to the way in which it should conduct its activities.”

      “Other elements also raise questions concerning the objectives of the flotilla organizers. If the flotilla had been a purely humanitarian mission it is hard to see why so many passengers were embarked and with what purpose. Furthermore, the quality and value of many of the humanitarian goods on board the vessels is questionable. There were large quantities of humanitarian and construction supplies on board the Gazze 1, Eleftheri Mesogeio and Defne-Y. There were some foodstuffs and medical goods on board the Mavi Marmara, although it seems that these were intended for the voyage itself. Any “humanitarian supplies” were limited to foodstuffs and toys carried in passengers’ personal baggage. The same situation appears to be the case for two other of the vessels: the Sfendoni, and the Challenger I. There was little need to organize a flotilla of six ships to deliver humanitarian assistance if only three were required to carry the available humanitarian supplies. The number of journalists embarked on the ships gives further power to the conclusion that the flotilla’s primary purpose was to generate publicity.”

      “It should be noted that flotilla passengers specifically committed not to bring weapons on the journey. Neverthless, it is alleged that the IHH participants on board the Mavi Marmara included a “hardcore group” of approximately 40 activists, who had effective control over the vessel during the journey and were not subjected to security screening when they boarded the Mavi Marmara in Istanbul. The Turkish report refers to 42 volunteers who acted as “cleaning and maintenance personnel” who boarded the Mavi Marmara in Istanbul and asserts that these individuals were subject to security screening. The Panel notes in this regard that all participants agreed to follow the decisions of the IHH organizers during the voyage and that at least one witness described himself as working for IHH ‘like a security guard.’”

      “Although people are entitled to express their political views, the flotilla acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade. The majority of the flotilla participants had no violent intentions, but there exist serious questions about the conduct, true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly IHH. The actions of the flotilla needlessly carried the potential for escalation.”

      So the event organizers had alleged ties to Hamas, there were 10 tonnes of supplies provided by the organizers but the only supplies intended for the Gazans was that which was brought by individual volunteers, and a core group of armed volunteers tried to resist the IDF when they boarded. These were the UN’s findings.

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        You can phrase it how you want, but at the end of the day they are smuggling goods in an area internationally recognized as being under the control and jurisdiction of a country. Part of nonviolent civil disobedience is that you are breaking the law. I don’t think it’s good that activists get hurt, but it’s definitely not surprising.

        The occupation is illegal stop justifying the unjustifiable , there is a difference between occupied land and internationally recognized land administrated by a country. I don’t want to hear about it being surprising or not. I want to know if you think the death of the 9 activists was respecting international law

        This document expose all Israeli lies and you covering from them . You ain’t fooling anybody pretending to be unbiased https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/mde150132011en.pdf

        the event organizers had alleged ties to Hamas Everybody is Hamas according to Israel

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          You made a lot of statements and a lot of questions at once, so I’ll try to split them up.

          The occupation is illegal

          Agreed

          stop justifying the unjustifiable

          Disagree?

          there is a difference between occupied land and internationally recognized land administrated by a country

          Agreed, the coastal waters off the coast of Israel are different than the dry land in Gaza

          I don’t want to hear about it being surprising or not

          I’m sorry?

          I want to know if you think the death of the 9 activists was respecting international law

          Yes, people were smuggling goods through the internationally recognized waters administered by Israel. When the IDF boarded the ship to stop the smuggling they were attacked by a group of the passengers. While unfortunate, it was legal to defend themselves. I will say that the IDF should have done more to prevent the escalation to the point that people didn’t get killed, but that would likely have required an even larger show of force.

          This document expose all Israeli lies and you covering from them

          This is an article by Amnesty International? I’ll take the UN Panel’s report which stated ““The fundamental principle of the freedom of navigation on the high seas is subject to only certain limited exceptions under international law. Israel faces a real threat to its security from militant groups in Gaza. The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law.””

          Everybody is Hamas according to Israel

          Not really a good answer. Interestingly the Palmer report does say specifically where in the Israeli report they document the connection to Hamas, but for the life of me I cannot find the actual report. If anyone finds it I’d be curious to read it.

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            Yes, people were smuggling goods through the internationally recognized waters administered by Israel. When the IDF boarded the ship to stop the smuggling they were attacked by a group of the passengers. While unfortunate, it was legal to defend themselves. I will say that the IDF should have done more to prevent the escalation to the point that people didn’t get killed, but that would likely have required an even larger show of force.

            Justifying murder very cool. The law say to only use enough force necessary. Murdering with live ammunition is not

            The loss of life and injuries resulting from the use of force by Israeli forces
            during the take-over of the Mavi Marmara was unacceptable. Nine passengers were
            killed and many others seriously wounded by Israeli forces. No satisfactory
            explanation has been provided to the Panel by Israel for any of the nine deaths.
            Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times,
            including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the
            material presented by Israel.

            https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/720841?ln=en&v=pdf

            https://news.un.org/en/story/2010/09/352342

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              It’s interesting you used that quote because I also used it in another response. The difference is that you failed to note that the report activists took the weapons of the IDF and shot 2 of the soldiers and 7 other soldiers were injured. In case you want to read it yourself, that would be item 124 on page 57.

              Interestingly I have found this report by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center which includes very detailed accounts of the attack including photos and soldier statements. I’m not going to reference or use anything from here because I assume most people will disregard it because it comes from an Israeli source. Either way, you should still check it out.

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                You failed to note that it was unacceptable for the idf to murder activists you can stop someone with one bullet, but decided shot pwople multiple time

                Wow you are also using meir amit an israeli organization funded by israel terrorist government. You are exposing yourself here

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                  Wow you are also using meir amit an israeli organization funded by israel terrorist government. You are exposing yourself here

                  I’m not going to reference or use anything from here because I assume most people will disregard it because it comes from an Israeli source

                  You really are a caricature aren’t you?

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                    It’s not simply an israeli source. It’s a shady source financed by the terrorist state of israel

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                  No I didn’t? Why would I need to note it again when you literally just said it and then I said I had used the same quote? That is by definition noting it.

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                    You never said that the panel said that Israel response was unacceptable. You are disingenuous