So did you already sold all your possessions to help the poor? That question is just as absurd as your comment.
There is no “solution” here, vehicles are not meant to be “solutions” by using their diminishing value to get money to help the poor. If they were, you would be saying this to EVERYONE that owns one, not even public transportation should be safe from your rhetoric.
This is the exact same mindset that makes fElon think that he can just give money to the UN and magically world hunger would be gone. No, simply no.
I doubt the same people who are capable of setting one on fire and running away have the criminal contacts to be capable of getting into the car fencing business.
There is no legal mechanism in place to “reclaim” these vehicles and force the owner to sell and redistribute to the poor, but I think you’d find widespread support here for something like that.
So instead they get torched, to send a message. I suspect it’ll get worse in the near future and I wouldn’t recommend buying one today to anyone who values their personal safety.
Right, arson is generally illegal but when we start talking about “crimes” we can also bring up “morality” and “ethics” and it becomes a much more productive discussion.
From what you keep repeating over and over in this thread, it seeks like you think the German state should seize Tesla’s assets and sell them off.
That is an absolutely ridiculously unrealistic idea. But hey, let’s say you start campaigning for it TODAY. You start convincing all the “low average intelligence” people in order to get a sufficient portion of the population on board to sway politicians to seize Tesla.
(Note that this is not 50%; for example, legalizing abortions has had far wider support in the German population for a long time, yet it’s not happened so far.)
So let’s be really, REALLY optimistic and say, in 10 years you will be able to get a government voted in which enacts the seizure of Tesla assets, agaojat all corporate-backed influences and interests. And somehow change the Grundgesetz so Tesla can not spend years moving up the courts to prevent this.
Do you see how this does nothing TODAY? I’m all for the systemic change; go vote and campaign in that direction, but here, in this comment section you are not offering a realistic or timely solution. Should nothing he done until your “perfect” solution becomes workable?
Expropriating Teslas is possible without a change in the constitution but with a simple law, if they, in the individual case, can be considered means of production (Article 15 GG), though compensation is due. To expropriate under Article 14, you’d have to show that it’s for the public good, which would be a very tall order. It would also be possible to extend right-out seizing (without compensation) to traffic misbehaviour other than extreme speeding.
Article 15 has never been applied, though, so besides how generally pointless expropriating Teslas Elon already made his money with is don’t expect anything to happen before Berlin expropriates large landlords (>1000 flats) for real. Parties are doing their best to not follow up on the earlier referendum so right now the organisers are busy writing their own law which then can be referendumed into being directly applicable law.
You know what we should lobby for? Putting sanctions on Elon. In lieu of expropriating, that’d be expensive, just make him divest completely.
If the car owners sold the car, they’d have cash but no car. And apparently they need a car, else why have it in the first place. So no, the money was never going to feed the poor.
Now the owners will get compensated by their insurance and can make a smarter choice for the replacement vehicle. Tesla owners get a message, and they only one hurt is the insurer.
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So did you already sold all your possessions to help the poor? That question is just as absurd as your comment.
There is no “solution” here, vehicles are not meant to be “solutions” by using their diminishing value to get money to help the poor. If they were, you would be saying this to EVERYONE that owns one, not even public transportation should be safe from your rhetoric.
This is the exact same mindset that makes fElon think that he can just give money to the UN and magically world hunger would be gone. No, simply no.
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I doubt the same people who are capable of setting one on fire and running away have the criminal contacts to be capable of getting into the car fencing business.
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There is no legal mechanism in place to “reclaim” these vehicles and force the owner to sell and redistribute to the poor, but I think you’d find widespread support here for something like that.
So instead they get torched, to send a message. I suspect it’ll get worse in the near future and I wouldn’t recommend buying one today to anyone who values their personal safety.
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Right, arson is generally illegal but when we start talking about “crimes” we can also bring up “morality” and “ethics” and it becomes a much more productive discussion.
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The United States is so far gone it’s sad.
I agree public education is abysmal.
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What’s your alternative? It has to be something that actually works
I do not condone violence but if you must act violently, at least target the dealership, not random people’s private property.
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WHO IS GOING TO SELL THEM THEN?
From what you keep repeating over and over in this thread, it seeks like you think the German state should seize Tesla’s assets and sell them off.
That is an absolutely ridiculously unrealistic idea. But hey, let’s say you start campaigning for it TODAY. You start convincing all the “low average intelligence” people in order to get a sufficient portion of the population on board to sway politicians to seize Tesla.
(Note that this is not 50%; for example, legalizing abortions has had far wider support in the German population for a long time, yet it’s not happened so far.)
So let’s be really, REALLY optimistic and say, in 10 years you will be able to get a government voted in which enacts the seizure of Tesla assets, agaojat all corporate-backed influences and interests. And somehow change the Grundgesetz so Tesla can not spend years moving up the courts to prevent this.
Do you see how this does nothing TODAY? I’m all for the systemic change; go vote and campaign in that direction, but here, in this comment section you are not offering a realistic or timely solution. Should nothing he done until your “perfect” solution becomes workable?
Expropriating Teslas is possible without a change in the constitution but with a simple law, if they, in the individual case, can be considered means of production (Article 15 GG), though compensation is due. To expropriate under Article 14, you’d have to show that it’s for the public good, which would be a very tall order. It would also be possible to extend right-out seizing (without compensation) to traffic misbehaviour other than extreme speeding.
Article 15 has never been applied, though, so besides how generally pointless expropriating Teslas Elon already made his money with is don’t expect anything to happen before Berlin expropriates large landlords (>1000 flats) for real. Parties are doing their best to not follow up on the earlier referendum so right now the organisers are busy writing their own law which then can be referendumed into being directly applicable law.
You know what we should lobby for? Putting sanctions on Elon. In lieu of expropriating, that’d be expensive, just make him divest completely.
Oh, agreed - I was just trying to engage with the hypothetical that “cool” was plastering all over this thread.
Why did I just think of this bullshit after reading your comment?
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If the car owners sold the car, they’d have cash but no car. And apparently they need a car, else why have it in the first place. So no, the money was never going to feed the poor.
Now the owners will get compensated by their insurance and can make a smarter choice for the replacement vehicle. Tesla owners get a message, and they only one hurt is the insurer.
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Lol, thanks for identifying yourself. I always like to get a head start and block deluded people before they get too annoying.