A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. We have a viable planet that can sustain life right now. And if we take care of it, it can sustain life for a much longer time.
Agreed. But unless we spread out, we could be dooming ourselves. Imagine hundreds of thousands of years ago. If early humans had stayed in a single valley, never venturing further, simply because that place had everything we needed, a single natural catastrophe could’ve wiped us out. The same logic applies here.
We have the resources, capabilities and collective willpower to spread ourselves among the stars. We’ve never had that kind of power, we should take it while we still have the chance. We can do two things at once.
Simple solution; reduce childbirth. Let the people who don’t want to have kids not have kids and the ones that want kids have them. However, that would involve giving proper reproductive health rights. Childbirth is already in decline, which is why many world leaders are panicking, but just because a politician is panicking doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but I digress…
For some reason, we as humans believe that the only solution for overpopulation is to cut losses and run when we have enough knowledge on what to do to reduce the degradation of the planet. But to too many people, the solution is to go start overpopulatinh other planets. It’s just rinse and repeat. If we can’t even get our shit together here, then what cosmic right do we have to go do it to another planet?
Reduce childbirth all you want (and I support it, we’ve massively overexpanded our population, far beyond what Earth can support sustainably) but that won’t help if we get annihilated by an asteroid, supervolcano or nuclear war.
Be honest. Trying to exclude the basic animal instinct of survival, who will you hold dear that will be affected by any of that? Sure, we can predict cosmic catastrophic events, but we still can’t stop them. And looking at a perspective that capitalists ((at least in the most recent history (current affairs)) have been the most interested in finding something off the planet and trying to figure out Mars.
Now, I also consider that going to Mars would be a long process. I bet my life that the first few crews that head toward Mars will either die or never be heard from again. There might be that one or two Wayland’s, but the vast majority of people who can afford to leave the planet won’t do so until they can be guaranteed a high chance of survival. Meaning that they’ll let a multitude of people die before they’ll allow themselves to be hurried off to a brand new start. You should know as well as I do that those billionaires aren’t going to save the masses. So even if sustainable existence occurs in our lifetime, are you sure the people you hold dear are going to be saved? And what right do we have to overpopulate another planet?
Huh? Sure we can prevent some cosmic events (asteroid redirect) and even mitigate others, by having backup of life elsewhere in the solar system. We have the technology, would you rather everything dies because of some ideal? Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good.
As to your last points, that’s how it’s been done during the last few expansions. But spaceships are expensive - tonnage to mars is insanely expensive. The incentive is to get a return on your investment: a sustainable colony. Sure, the billionaires won’t be the first, but someone has to be. And what right do we have? It’s our imperative to ensure the continuation of life by spreading it through the cosmos. Anything less would betray our base genetic instincts.
What right do we have? It’s our imperative to spread not just ourselves, but life itself throughout the cosmos. Anything less would betray our base genetic instincts.
It’s highly probable that we aren’t the only life in the universe. The only thing that makes it impossible is we aren’t smart enough to know yet, but most signs point to that we can’t be the only life in the universe
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. We have a viable planet that can sustain life right now. And if we take care of it, it can sustain life for a much longer time.
Also Mars is inhospitable to humans as well
Agreed. But unless we spread out, we could be dooming ourselves. Imagine hundreds of thousands of years ago. If early humans had stayed in a single valley, never venturing further, simply because that place had everything we needed, a single natural catastrophe could’ve wiped us out. The same logic applies here.
We have the resources, capabilities and collective willpower to spread ourselves among the stars. We’ve never had that kind of power, we should take it while we still have the chance. We can do two things at once.
Simple solution; reduce childbirth. Let the people who don’t want to have kids not have kids and the ones that want kids have them. However, that would involve giving proper reproductive health rights. Childbirth is already in decline, which is why many world leaders are panicking, but just because a politician is panicking doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but I digress…
For some reason, we as humans believe that the only solution for overpopulation is to cut losses and run when we have enough knowledge on what to do to reduce the degradation of the planet. But to too many people, the solution is to go start overpopulatinh other planets. It’s just rinse and repeat. If we can’t even get our shit together here, then what cosmic right do we have to go do it to another planet?
Reduce childbirth all you want (and I support it, we’ve massively overexpanded our population, far beyond what Earth can support sustainably) but that won’t help if we get annihilated by an asteroid, supervolcano or nuclear war.
And what’s stopping that from happening anywhere else. What right do we have to overpopulate another planet?
We’ll have reduced the chance of something wiping out everything we hold dear by a factor of two.
Be honest. Trying to exclude the basic animal instinct of survival, who will you hold dear that will be affected by any of that? Sure, we can predict cosmic catastrophic events, but we still can’t stop them. And looking at a perspective that capitalists ((at least in the most recent history (current affairs)) have been the most interested in finding something off the planet and trying to figure out Mars.
Now, I also consider that going to Mars would be a long process. I bet my life that the first few crews that head toward Mars will either die or never be heard from again. There might be that one or two Wayland’s, but the vast majority of people who can afford to leave the planet won’t do so until they can be guaranteed a high chance of survival. Meaning that they’ll let a multitude of people die before they’ll allow themselves to be hurried off to a brand new start. You should know as well as I do that those billionaires aren’t going to save the masses. So even if sustainable existence occurs in our lifetime, are you sure the people you hold dear are going to be saved? And what right do we have to overpopulate another planet?
Huh? Sure we can prevent some cosmic events (asteroid redirect) and even mitigate others, by having backup of life elsewhere in the solar system. We have the technology, would you rather everything dies because of some ideal? Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good.
As to your last points, that’s how it’s been done during the last few expansions. But spaceships are expensive - tonnage to mars is insanely expensive. The incentive is to get a return on your investment: a sustainable colony. Sure, the billionaires won’t be the first, but someone has to be. And what right do we have? It’s our imperative to ensure the continuation of life by spreading it through the cosmos. Anything less would betray our base genetic instincts.
So people are investments? And we have to ensure life stays or humans?
What right do we have? It’s our imperative to spread not just ourselves, but life itself throughout the cosmos. Anything less would betray our base genetic instincts.
So you’re saying that life doesn’t already exist in the cosmos?
That’s the thing - we don’t know.
It’s highly probable that we aren’t the only life in the universe. The only thing that makes it impossible is we aren’t smart enough to know yet, but most signs point to that we can’t be the only life in the universe