What expansion? The last two countries joined as result of Russian aggression. The ones before joined because they themselves had experienced that only the membership in a strong alliance can potentially safe them from annexation (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland [the last after a deal with literally Hitler]). And once again tell me, why would anyone be afraid of a defensive alliance growing when you don’t intend to invade said countries?
Don’t want to invade your neighbour? Then their NATo-membership is not a problem, hell how about trying to join yourselves?
Why would anyone be afraid of a defensive alliance growing?
Hypothetical question after which context is provided, “when you don’t want to invade them?” Asking a hypothetical question is not contradictory to doubting the expansion.
You went from implying no expansion has occurred, to implying such expansion is a good thing without any consequences, to finally preaching that all who hear your ‘wisdom’ should try joining NATO themselves.
Are these the differing stages of grief before acceptance of failure?
The point is not to hold more Russian land than Russia holds Ukrainian land (lmao). It’s to deplete their reserves and destroy their economy - which has been working out well, all things considered. You can regain every meter of occupied territory without firing a shot if the Russian state is brought to its knees.
The same talking points (propaganda) that falsely predicted a Russian economic collapse within moments of western sanctions when the war started years ago.
the Russian state is brought to its knees.
Imagine not being a simp to western hegemony and not wanting humans to suffer in any country.
Putin said he was gonna roll over Ukraine, and we all thought he was gonna roll over Ukraine.
What has been shown is that Putin and his war machine is a fuckin bitch.
Ukraine has been going toe to toe with Russia for fucking years now.
Sure Ukraine has been propped up, but Russian has had to empty prisons and make deals with Iran and North Korea for military aid. Talk about the Axis of evil clowns.
I have almost no respect for Russian leadership. Almost less respect than I do for my next president.
that falsely predicted a Russian economic collapse within moments of western sanctions
Nobody predicted an immediate collapse. Stop making things up. One look at Russia’s economy shows that the sanctions are highly effective nonetheless.
Imagine not being a simp to western hegemony and not wanting humans to suffer in any country.
Imagine being a simp for a mafia state run by the richest man on the planet hellbent on destroying a sovereign nation at the cost of his own people. Doesn’t get much shittier than this, doesn’t it?
Something has gone wonky with my internal parser. Can’t figure out what point you’re making. Might double back after another coffee, but I’d appreciate if you could clarify?
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Its when we put missles near moscow, overthrow nearby governments (color revolutions), and then get shocked when that leads to war. Im not saying its justified but its not shocking either, imagine if china overthrew the Canadian government and started shipping them weapons.
That’s a very reductive description of the orange revolution and euromaidan, though.
In both cases, the US didn’t come in and overthrow the Ukrainian government, there was no assassination, no military coup. At a stretch the most you could reasonably argue the US was involved was egging them on.
It was just an enormous number of Ukrainians protesting the abuse of their political system.
The first time, because the president ordered the kidnapping of a journalist ON VIDEO (whose body was then found, decapitated) then attempted to rig the election in favour of his successor - this resulted in massive protests until the election was re-run (this time with international observers) at the demand of their own supreme court.
The latter because the president ran on a platform of EU alignment, then immediately betrayed the people who elected him by doing the exact opposite in order to placate Russia. He was then removed by parliament, who had a legal right to do exactly that.
Note how, both times, the government was removed, not by a couple, but by the legitimate political institutions of the country.
Ukraine has lost over 40% of land it seized in Russia’s Kursk region, senior Kyiv military source says
Meanwhile Moscow occupies more than 20% of Ukrainian territory.
This proxy war is a very obvious failure.
It’s not a proxy war if the primary aggressor is the great power - that’s just a war of aggression
Imagine thinking you can singlehandedly redefine proxy wars to fit your narrow definition.
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Who do you think started the war lmao?
Yes, the 3 day military operation was a failure :)
It’s never too late to rejoin reality.
Ukraine front could ‘collapse’ as Russia gains accelerate, experts warn
You didn’t answer the question.
NATO expansion has no consequences right?
What expansion? The last two countries joined as result of Russian aggression. The ones before joined because they themselves had experienced that only the membership in a strong alliance can potentially safe them from annexation (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland [the last after a deal with literally Hitler]). And once again tell me, why would anyone be afraid of a defensive alliance growing when you don’t intend to invade said countries?
Don’t want to invade your neighbour? Then their NATo-membership is not a problem, hell how about trying to join yourselves?
You went full circle jerk implying no expansion exists, but then immediately contradicting yourself.
Where is the contradiction?
Doubting the expansion of NATO.
Hypothetical question after which context is provided, “when you don’t want to invade them?” Asking a hypothetical question is not contradictory to doubting the expansion.
I don’t understand why you quoted that.
You went from implying no expansion has occurred, to implying such expansion is a good thing without any consequences, to finally preaching that all who hear your ‘wisdom’ should try joining NATO themselves.
Are these the differing stages of grief before acceptance of failure?
ok tankie
Putin invading neutral countries proves that remaining neutral is stupid, and they should join NATO.
The point is not to hold more Russian land than Russia holds Ukrainian land (lmao). It’s to deplete their reserves and destroy their economy - which has been working out well, all things considered. You can regain every meter of occupied territory without firing a shot if the Russian state is brought to its knees.
The same talking points (propaganda) that falsely predicted a Russian economic collapse within moments of western sanctions when the war started years ago.
Imagine not being a simp to western hegemony and not wanting humans to suffer in any country.
Fucking troll.
Putin said he was gonna roll over Ukraine, and we all thought he was gonna roll over Ukraine.
What has been shown is that Putin and his war machine is a fuckin bitch.
Ukraine has been going toe to toe with Russia for fucking years now.
Sure Ukraine has been propped up, but Russian has had to empty prisons and make deals with Iran and North Korea for military aid. Talk about the Axis of evil clowns.
I have almost no respect for Russian leadership. Almost less respect than I do for my next president.
Nobody predicted an immediate collapse. Stop making things up. One look at Russia’s economy shows that the sanctions are highly effective nonetheless.
Imagine being a simp for a mafia state run by the richest man on the planet hellbent on destroying a sovereign nation at the cost of his own people. Doesn’t get much shittier than this, doesn’t it?
I can safely dismiss your opinions now.
Let’s be real, here. You automatically dismiss all opinions not fed to you by an autocrat.
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What it has been is a failure to convince smaller nations that they don’t need nukes. Great job everyone.
no, that’s been working out just fine, the question is wether it was a good thing
spoiler
it wasn’t
Something has gone wonky with my internal parser. Can’t figure out what point you’re making. Might double back after another coffee, but I’d appreciate if you could clarify?
I mean robbing smaller countries of their nukes has been working great, I just consider it a bad thing
Cheers yeah same page
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Western expansion is when Russia expands westward and performs genocide on Ukrainians, huh?
Its when we put missles near moscow, overthrow nearby governments (color revolutions), and then get shocked when that leads to war. Im not saying its justified but its not shocking either, imagine if china overthrew the Canadian government and started shipping them weapons.
The Cold War has been over for some thirty fucking years.
Jesus fucking Christ.
That’s a very reductive description of the orange revolution and euromaidan, though.
In both cases, the US didn’t come in and overthrow the Ukrainian government, there was no assassination, no military coup. At a stretch the most you could reasonably argue the US was involved was egging them on.
It was just an enormous number of Ukrainians protesting the abuse of their political system.
The first time, because the president ordered the kidnapping of a journalist ON VIDEO (whose body was then found, decapitated) then attempted to rig the election in favour of his successor - this resulted in massive protests until the election was re-run (this time with international observers) at the demand of their own supreme court.
The latter because the president ran on a platform of EU alignment, then immediately betrayed the people who elected him by doing the exact opposite in order to placate Russia. He was then removed by parliament, who had a legal right to do exactly that.
Note how, both times, the government was removed, not by a couple, but by the legitimate political institutions of the country.