I’ve perceived that things have never been better for American international order than under Trump/Biden.
The last few cycles have been a weird time for NATO, as the escalating Russian aggression revitalised the alliance, but the unreliability of Trump vastly diminished the status of the US. Europe is now actively trying to get out of the military subordinate role.
The last few cycles have been a weird time for NATO, as the escalating Russian aggression revitalised the alliance, but the unreliability of Trump vastly diminished the status of the US
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Europe is now actively trying to get out of the military subordinate role.
Europe has been trying to get out of this role since WWII. I view that they were forced into this role post-WWII with American occupation. I also see that American power also led to European decolonization through the Atlantic Charter e.g. Vietnam and Asia, Africa, and controversially, India.
I view that America maintains Europe’s subordinate role, both militarily and economically, through military influence, as discussed by prior NATO Commander Haig in 2002:
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Q – Why is the United States still stationing 70,000 troops in Germany?
A – A lot of good reasons for that. This presence is the basis for our influence in the European region and for the cooperation of allied nations whose security it enhances. A lot of people forget it is also the bona fide of our economic success. The presence of U.S. troops keeps European markets open to us. If those troops weren’t there, those markets would probably be more difficult to access.
Q – I didn’t forget. I just didn’t know that if the United States didn’t maintain 70,000 troops in Germany, European markets might be closed to American goods and services.
A – On occasion, even with our presence, we have confronted protectionism in a number of industries, such as automotive and aerospace. In addition to economic benefits derived from our presence in Europe, there is perhaps an even more important diplomatic and political benefit.
Q – But the United States is not defending Europe against anything anymore.
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The alliance may have been revitalized, but have the member countries been revitalized? You must have your nose buried in stock market-based numbers rather than quality of life, true consumer price inflation, housing costs, and personal debts. The western world has greatly burdened itself in the hopes of bringing down the Russian standard of living, and it sure isn’t conclusive that is working, and it’s undeniable it has failed to achieve the political goals NATO countries shot for, especially weakening the great necromancer Putler himself.
IDK what your point is. NATO being revitalized is not a “good thing” that makes us live nicer. NATO and rearmament is a fever, Russian imperialism is the sickness.
NATO is not an economic alliance, it’s a military one. The sole goal of NATO is keeping Russian soldiers outside NATO members’ territories. And as someone whose home country has suffered immensely under Russian occupation, seeing Russia draw troops down from the Finnish border right after they joined the alliance makes me happy that we are NATO members.
Europe wouldn’t be doing better outside NATO, it has no bearing on economics. Trade disruption with Russia certainly has to do with it, but ironically that’s because during the 00s and the 10s Europe extended a friendly hand to Russia, and got into deep trading entanglements with it, which Russia tried to exploit to force geopolitical concessions.
You are contradicting yourself LOL, you say NATO has no bearing on the European economic situation while admitting in the next breath it has huge implications for energy prices due to trade with Russia. Europeans have been debating their quality of life drop, and your countrymen have been calling me blind drunk screaming about how they have no money and they can’t decide if they hate the Russians or you anti-Russian zealots more. You are simply unaffected by the actual damage because you are economically insulated and 100% of your political leanings are based on oversocialization. They have no connection to material conditions in Europe. Basically cope and go buy one of your state manufactured vodka seltzers you underwear drunk idiot.
NATO has no bearing on the European economic situation while admitting in the next breath it has huge implications for energy prices due to trade with Russia.
Energy prices went up since Russia is conducting a military invasion on the country transiting said energy, and as a result of EU/US sanctions that are the result of war crimes, crimes of aggression and genocide. The only thing NATO does currently is ensure that can’t spill over to more countries being attacked. NATO didn’t do jack shit yet. Individual countries, and the EU, did.
and your countrymen have been calling me blind drunk screaming about how they have no money
Our countrymen should look for their money at Hatvanpuszta or Mészáros & Mészáros. Russian puppet Orbán stole all the money and the future of the country, Russian puppet Orbán made it impossible to have children, get sick, or die, with dignity, he is responsible for producing the highest real estate inflation, the highest food inflation in the EU, and it’s all because he’d rather take Russian cock to his throat than have less corruption kickbacks.
A ruszkik meg igazán hazamehetnének végre és foglalkozhatnának a saját országukkal ahelyett hogy mongol módjára fosztogatnak és erőszakolnak nyugatra.
LOL I like how you skipped over the cause and effect of the energy prices: the sanctions and Nord Stream bombing. You just started venting your Orbán Derangement Syndome.
I won’t try to press you to use logic regarding how US energy companies benefit. You’re clearly too emotional to process it. European racists are the most pathetic.
Blackrock will take the world you intended for your children from you. Glad you learned to treat it as a positive thing.
I wonder what might have caused that. Not a genocidal fascist Russia, right?
I won’t try to press you to use logic regarding how US energy companies benefit.
It’s a shit situation, but still better than genocide.
You just started venting your Orbán Derangement Syndome.
Nice to see you using the same lingo as the American fascists, you know the ones that support an additional genocide in the Middle East as well as the one Russia is perpetrating.
Blackrock will take the world you intended for your children from you.
Thanks, but Orbán already took it and sold most of it to Russians. Not much left to steal anymore.
That’s really not true brother. 😅 You have so much more to lose. Don’t say you weren’t warned. You begged for the Western financial class to enact more punitive measures that you just acknowledged are contributing to an energy and cost of living crisis in Europe. You can lose so much more than cheap heating in the winter. So much more.
Slava Ukraini. Oh no, I just jokingly repeated the words of fascists. 🤣
Orphans are being quite literally raped with government support, healthcare is nonexistent with hospitals not picking up the phone and entire wards closing, the infrastructure is failing with trains derailing daily, wages are a joke and are being artificially repressed, housing prices are skyrocketing, all with government support.
That’s Orbán’s reality, that is the proximate threat, that is what the Russian puppet is doing to the country. Wall Street idiots and incompetent neoliberal politicians are of course annoying and we should work against that as well, but give me a fucking break.
And just please stop doing the American exceptionalist idiotism yourself, the world is more than genocidal fascistic Russians and genocidal fascistic Americans. You don’t need to lick the boot of Putin to show you don’t support Biden.
The last few cycles have been a weird time for NATO, as the escalating Russian aggression revitalised the alliance, but the unreliability of Trump vastly diminished the status of the US. Europe is now actively trying to get out of the military subordinate role.
Concur
Europe has been trying to get out of this role since WWII. I view that they were forced into this role post-WWII with American occupation. I also see that American power also led to European decolonization through the Atlantic Charter e.g. Vietnam and Asia, Africa, and controversially, India.
I view that America maintains Europe’s subordinate role, both militarily and economically, through military influence, as discussed by prior NATO Commander Haig in 2002:
The alliance may have been revitalized, but have the member countries been revitalized? You must have your nose buried in stock market-based numbers rather than quality of life, true consumer price inflation, housing costs, and personal debts. The western world has greatly burdened itself in the hopes of bringing down the Russian standard of living, and it sure isn’t conclusive that is working, and it’s undeniable it has failed to achieve the political goals NATO countries shot for, especially weakening the great necromancer Putler himself.
IDK what your point is. NATO being revitalized is not a “good thing” that makes us live nicer. NATO and rearmament is a fever, Russian imperialism is the sickness.
NATO is not an economic alliance, it’s a military one. The sole goal of NATO is keeping Russian soldiers outside NATO members’ territories. And as someone whose home country has suffered immensely under Russian occupation, seeing Russia draw troops down from the Finnish border right after they joined the alliance makes me happy that we are NATO members.
Europe wouldn’t be doing better outside NATO, it has no bearing on economics. Trade disruption with Russia certainly has to do with it, but ironically that’s because during the 00s and the 10s Europe extended a friendly hand to Russia, and got into deep trading entanglements with it, which Russia tried to exploit to force geopolitical concessions.
You are contradicting yourself LOL, you say NATO has no bearing on the European economic situation while admitting in the next breath it has huge implications for energy prices due to trade with Russia. Europeans have been debating their quality of life drop, and your countrymen have been calling me blind drunk screaming about how they have no money and they can’t decide if they hate the Russians or you anti-Russian zealots more. You are simply unaffected by the actual damage because you are economically insulated and 100% of your political leanings are based on oversocialization. They have no connection to material conditions in Europe. Basically cope and go buy one of your state manufactured vodka seltzers you underwear drunk idiot.
What the actual heck are you talking about?
Energy prices went up since Russia is conducting a military invasion on the country transiting said energy, and as a result of EU/US sanctions that are the result of war crimes, crimes of aggression and genocide. The only thing NATO does currently is ensure that can’t spill over to more countries being attacked. NATO didn’t do jack shit yet. Individual countries, and the EU, did.
Our countrymen should look for their money at Hatvanpuszta or Mészáros & Mészáros. Russian puppet Orbán stole all the money and the future of the country, Russian puppet Orbán made it impossible to have children, get sick, or die, with dignity, he is responsible for producing the highest real estate inflation, the highest food inflation in the EU, and it’s all because he’d rather take Russian cock to his throat than have less corruption kickbacks.
A ruszkik meg igazán hazamehetnének végre és foglalkozhatnának a saját országukkal ahelyett hogy mongol módjára fosztogatnak és erőszakolnak nyugatra.
LOL I like how you skipped over the cause and effect of the energy prices: the sanctions and Nord Stream bombing. You just started venting your Orbán Derangement Syndome.
I won’t try to press you to use logic regarding how US energy companies benefit. You’re clearly too emotional to process it. European racists are the most pathetic.
Blackrock will take the world you intended for your children from you. Glad you learned to treat it as a positive thing.
I wonder what might have caused that. Not a genocidal fascist Russia, right?
It’s a shit situation, but still better than genocide.
Nice to see you using the same lingo as the American fascists, you know the ones that support an additional genocide in the Middle East as well as the one Russia is perpetrating.
Thanks, but Orbán already took it and sold most of it to Russians. Not much left to steal anymore.
That’s really not true brother. 😅 You have so much more to lose. Don’t say you weren’t warned. You begged for the Western financial class to enact more punitive measures that you just acknowledged are contributing to an energy and cost of living crisis in Europe. You can lose so much more than cheap heating in the winter. So much more.
Slava Ukraini. Oh no, I just jokingly repeated the words of fascists. 🤣
Orphans are being quite literally raped with government support, healthcare is nonexistent with hospitals not picking up the phone and entire wards closing, the infrastructure is failing with trains derailing daily, wages are a joke and are being artificially repressed, housing prices are skyrocketing, all with government support.
That’s Orbán’s reality, that is the proximate threat, that is what the Russian puppet is doing to the country. Wall Street idiots and incompetent neoliberal politicians are of course annoying and we should work against that as well, but give me a fucking break.
And just please stop doing the American exceptionalist idiotism yourself, the world is more than genocidal fascistic Russians and genocidal fascistic Americans. You don’t need to lick the boot of Putin to show you don’t support Biden.