• @boydster@sh.itjust.works
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    11 days ago

    Wait till you learn about Melkor! He’s a Vala, or one of the Valar, which is a higher order than the Maiar, and was basically super-Sauron from the before times

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      11 days ago

      And he was scared of Ungoliant, and we don’t know what she is, besides nasty, and hungry, and shaped like a huge spider (well, spiders are shaped like her, probably).

      (He also got his foot almost cut off by an elf in single combat and walked with a limp ever after — well, at least until he got his hands and feet cut off by the rest of the Valar, I suppose —, but elves were mighty back then.)

      • Rikudou_SageA
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        110 hours ago

        I always took it that Morgoth spent too much of himself to create bullshit and that’s why an elf could topple a Vala, otherwise it doesn’t really make sense.

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          13 hours ago

          He did indeed spread himself out; Arda was Melkor’s “ring” as much as the one ring was Sauron’s.

          That said, even at his weakest, it took all the forces of Valinor, plus the men and remaining elves of Middle Earth to finally defeat and banish him. He’s by far the most powerful of the Valar (and probably the Ainur).

          Even if diminished, Fingolfin standing his ground against him for as long as he did and permanently crippling him was still a pretty big deal.

          (You also have elves standing their ground in single combat against balrogs, and even defeating them; some elves were pretty damn powerful.)