• @PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    -1•2 months ago

    Oh, I had the power to stop this? Really? Cause I fucking voted for Harris, even though there was a 0% chance my state would go red. What else did you want me to fucking do? Vote harder?

    No, you aren’t at fault, then. But fascism-enablers who refused to vote and beat the “BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME” drum absolutely are, and playing defense for them is inexplicable.

    I actually don’t think both sides are the same,

    Then the Democrats certainly had plenty to offer the left. It’s just that the left decided it wasn’t enough.

    It’s this fucking simple; you don’t want to, “pander,” to the left? Then don’t assume the left is going to save you.

    I would put this differently - if you need to be pandered to, you aren’t treating your political power seriously - or worse, you’re treating it selfishly. As political agents, every voter has the power to sway the election, some small amount, towards or away from their own ideals. If one says, “I’m not going to pick the side closer to me because it doesn’t give me enough asspats or fuzzy feelies”, they’re treating politics as a personal and spiritual experience, not an actual, practical exercise of power.

    • @pjwestin@lemmy.world
      5•2 months ago

      I would put this differently - if you need to be pandered to, you aren’t treating your political power seriously - or worse, you’re treating it selfishly. As political agents, every voter has the power to sway the election, some small amount, towards or away from their own ideals

      Wow, this would be a great point, except voting isn’t mandatory, or a federal holiday, and mail in voting is restrictive in many states, and sometimes people have to wait hours in poll lines, and leave work early, and find people to watch their kids. You’re not asking to check a box, you’re asking them to sacrifice time and even money to show up for you, and if you’re going to do that, you have to motivate them. And if you’re first reaction this morning isn’t to be angry at the party for failing so spectacularly in motivating people, but instead to yell at fucking return2ozma, you’re really showing what you really think.

      • @PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0•2 months ago

        Wow, this would be a great point, except voting isn’t mandatory, or a federal holiday, and mail in voting is restrictive in many states, and sometimes people have to wait hours in poll lines, and leave work early, and find people to watch their kids.

        Yes, I’m sure those were the motivations of many of those people who spent large amounts of time and energy beating the “BOTH SIDES ARE BAD” drum and cast their vote for the PSL or Greens.

        You’re not asking to check a box, you’re asking them to sacrifice time and even money to show up for you, and if you’re going to do that, you have to motivate them.

        I guess “not living under a fascist regime” isn’t very motivating for them. Very curious.

        And if you’re first reaction this morning isn’t to be angry at the party for failing so spectacularly in motivating people, but instead to yell at fucking return2ozma, you’re really showing what you really think.

        My first reaction this morning was to be angry at the American people for giving 70 something million votes to Trump. My second reaction was to be frustrated that the Dem political machine snatched defeat from the jaws of victory again. Everything past that is just reacting to things as I see them, and seeing Ozma pissing about on here was quite visible when I finally opened up Lemmy.

        • Eugene V. Debs' GhostEnglish
          3•2 months ago

          Who casted the vote for Greens and PSL? Those are a drop in the bucket to the clusterfuck of votes for Trump.

          If all Green and PSL voters went for Harris, she still loses in every state.

          I wanted Harris to win but damn.

          • @PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0•2 months ago

            Yeah. Majority of the blame goes to non-voters. But the people on here were definitely calling for voting, just not against fascism.

            • Eugene V. Debs' GhostEnglish
              4•2 months ago

              I can blame non-voters too. They saw what was coming and didn’t do anything. I voted Harris in California, she was never at risk of losing my state. I even skipped an all republican blanket primary as both were supported by trump or his allies.

              But Lemmy had no say in the election, even if all the users here voted third party in North Carolina. No matter how much a Tankie says “Both sides” they can’t influence the population like that.

              Reddit thought it could get Ron Paul nominated and Bernie to win. Lemmy has even less users, and reddit didn’t affect anything there.

              • @PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                -2•2 months ago

                No say is an exaggeration, but I was expecting this to come down to a small number of votes in a small number of states. While, practically speaking, the chance of that being within the range of Lemmy’s userbase, much less the Lemmy userbase in that state, is small, it is not impossible. But it wasn’t even close.

                I was prepared for the electoral college to disappoint me like this, but not the American electorate. Fuck’s sake.

                • Eugene V. Debs' GhostEnglish
                  4•2 months ago

                  I honestly was thinking Harris won the popular vote, EC took a while to decide. Instead it was rapid evidence of “Holy fuck, I hate being right about bad things.”

        • @pjwestin@lemmy.world
          2•2 months ago

          My first reaction this morning was to be angry at the American people for giving 70 something million votes to Trump. My second reaction was to be frustrated that the Dem political machine snatched defeat from the jaws of victory again.

          Yeah, I’m still waiting to see any of these reactions, but I get the impression it’s just gonna be you punching left.

          • Eugene V. Debs' GhostEnglish
            1•2 months ago

            I don’t expect a lot of replies from this dude. He’s a milquetoast liberal who thinks genocide on both sides of the equation cancel out.