• @chaogomu@lemmy.world
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    You just completely missed the point.

    You literally cannot “values vote” your way to a functional First Past the Post voting system.

    And trying to get others to join in your misunderstanding of basic reality is actively harmful to your, and their interests.

    Maybe that’s the problem. You don’t want to admit that you’re the bad guy…

    • KⒶMⒶLⒶ WⒶLZ 2Ⓐ24
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      values voting is the solution. it’s plain as day that the reason party consolidation happens is strategic voting. a refusal to compromise preserves a diversity of parties.

      I’m not a bad guy.

      • @frezik@midwest.social
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        Here’s what happens when we refuse to compromise. Some people care more about minority civil rights than anything else, so they get the best civil rights candidate. Some people care about feminism more than anything else, so they get the best feminist candidate. Some people care about unions more than anything else, so they get the best union candidate.

        Conservatives then rally around a putrid flesh monster who promises to shoot all the above on day one, because that’s what they care about. That candidate wins with a 40/20/20/20 vote.

        Values voting cannot solve this.

        • you speaking about it as though people who would vote for a conservative only have one issue: Conservative candidate. but it’s a whole platform, and it’s also diverse in its Interests

          • @Nalivai@lemmy.world
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            people who would vote for a conservative only have one issue: Conservative candidate.

            That’s literally what’s hapepning. Trump’s VP pick was incredibly against Trump until he got picked and then he got very much pro. Hell, conservative party doesn’t have a stated program, they literally don’t state any values.

          • @frezik@midwest.social
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            It is, but they don’t recognize the contradictions between their various factions. They will very happily rally around a candidate that promises to sweep away all the leftists. Each of them imagines that their faction will be the one on top in the end.

      • Forbo
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        You’re not bad, and I’m sick of the infighting. But denying the reality of the fundamental flaws in the electoral system is just ignorant. Idealism doesn’t work when the platform to implement those ideals is broken as fuck.

      • @lurklurk@lemmy.world
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        51 day ago

        If you’re not a bad guy, you’re just wrong. This is very basic game theory and not actually controversial in any way