• Annoyed_🦀
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    3213 hours ago

    If anything, lefties shouldn’t be a single issue voter at all. They should be picking someone who might move toward that direction and have the chance to win, not abstaining.

    As the famous word goes: Evil triumph when good men do nothing. You can’t abstain or do protest vote and expect anything to change under Trump, that single issue you hold so important will get worst, or even impossible.

    • @Saleh@feddit.org
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      -78 hours ago

      Well this “single issue” of land stealing, white supremacist subjugation of a people on their native land, ethnic cleansing and genocide, has only gotten worse with every election.

      If we look at AIPAC they arent powerful because they influence who wins. They are powerful because they onfluence who looses.

      That is why being pro genocide remains a staple of both parties policies. The only way to change that, is to punish the side that claims to not be pro genocide generally, so it has to become against genocide specifically.

      And we had one year of trying to do that before the election, where people here and in othernplace vigorously defended being pro genocide, as challenging that before the election would be bad for the election.

      We saw with Biden stepping down that challenging the dementia candidate was actually beneficial for the Democrats election chances, despite the same denial and backlash over pointing out Bidens failing mental capacities.

      Now i am sure that these sentiments of immediately attacking people who wanted the Democrats to become a non genocide party when it was still possible to achieve that for the election, were stirred by AIPAC and other establishment actors, who would rather have Trump win than end genocide or get to meaningful progressive politics like proper healthcare and workers rights.

      • @Kalysta@lemm.ee
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        112 minutes ago

        So women needlessly dying of miscarriages and trans people getting locked up in camps is fine so long as the democrats are punished.

        Mass deportations with sketchy legal grounds are also fine because the democrats will totally learn their lesson this time.

        Wake the hell up. You’re only punishing innocent americans. The democrats will be FINE if trump wins.

      • Annoyed_🦀
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        4 hours ago

        Okay, sure, but let’s say Trump win and you successfully punish Democrats, the results are…you also punished abortion right, people of colour, the lgbtq community, american with middle-eastern origin, worsening the immigrant deportation, and lastly, eliminating the chance of palestine-israel ceasefire and basically confirming the annexation of Gaza and West Bank. Isn’t that the thing you most concerned with? And now the blood is on your hands too. That doesn’t sounds like left-wing thinking to me at all.

        I leave out a lot of thing, it’s really up to you to figure out what you will lose. I’m not even from US and another Trump term will undoubtedly affect the world in one way or another.

      • @Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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        38 hours ago

        Ho Chi Minh knew all about America’s long history of genocide and slavery.

        When the time came to work with the American OSS to fight the Japanese he helped the Americans.

        Any questions?

          • @Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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            18 hours ago

            What were the Japanese doing then?

            Are you saying we should allow the genocide in Palestine to continue, and add suffering in America too?

            • @sadnonyank
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              I’m saying you guys should fight your own war against your elites instead of throwing foreigners under the bus.

              • @Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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                18 hours ago

                Yes, we should use the magic genii that let’s us reset years of history in an instant.

                Why didn’t we think of that?

                • @sadnonyank
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                  Did you know conspiracy to commit genocide was punishable by death in the united states?

                  Which part of this statement do you disagree with:

                  (a) there is a genocide (b) both parties are liable for that genocide © voting for them is empowering the genocide

                  • @Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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                    18 hours ago

                    Turn it around.

                    If both sides support genocide, what is your plan to actually stop the genocide?