• I’ll ask again.

    How do the democrats go outside of the systems granted to them by current norms and traditions, without appearing to be the very things they are defending against?

    • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      How do the democrats go outside of the systems granted to them by current norms and traditions

      The same way they’ve always done it.

      Democrats only abide by Norms and Traditions for the wealthy and privileged. They are perfectly happy to endorse police brutality, indefinite detention, flagrant violations of civil and property rights, and explicit war crimes when the victims of those actions are political outsiders.

      Treat Donald Trump like George Floyd. Treat the J6ers like Columbia student protesters. Treat the Russian collaborators in the US like we treated Arabs (long) after 9/11. Treat FOX News like RT. Treat Clarence Thomas like George Santos. Treat Israel like Venezuela and Netanyahu like Nicholas Maduro.

      We all know you can. We’ve seen the Democrats do it. We watched Obama keep Gitmo open for the full eight years of his presidency and Biden keep it open four years after that. We know all about the FBI doing COINTELPRO on progressive activist groups and environmentalist organizations. We know how the DOJ handled Edward Snowden and Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning and Reality Winner.

      Democrats routinely go outside the bounds of the system, particularly when Republicans pave the way for them. Now the question is whether they’re going to defy a SCOTUS in defense of democracy, or whether they’re going to twiddle their thumbs while Rome burns, because carrying water has been declared unconstitutional.

      • What you’re talking about is wielding government power against a political opponent. These examples are not analogous. Give me a true analogy of democrats going outside of norms and traditions to undermine their political rivals.

        • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          23 hours ago

          What you’re talking about is wielding government power against a political opponent.

          Either Democracy Is At Stake or it isn’t. If you’re willing to unleash the full power of the federal government on some anti-war activists and civil rights marchers, but you balk at employing the same methods on billionaire real estate magnets and their financiers, I’m forced to assume it isn’t democracy you’re trying to defend.

          Give me a true analogy of democrats going outside of norms and traditions

          Guantanamo Bay is both figuratively and literally outside of US norms and traditions. PRISM is outside our norms and traditions. The illegal arms sales to Israel are outside our norms and traditions. I can keep going.

          • Lol, cutting off the last half of that sentence when it’s right fucking there is hilarious.

            Can’t take you seriously, sorry. Shape up, maybe someday you’ll have a fully developed mind.