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minus-square@Nurgus@lemmy.worldlinkfedilink1•1 month agoSlavery finished, replaced with forced labour and serfdom? That Haiti?
minus-square@Prunebutt@slrpnk.netlinkfedilink1•1 month agoI’m not sure why you’re arguing in favour of literal slavery, but ok. There are other examples: Bavaria in 1919 Spain with the CNT/FAI in the 1930s The 1905 revolution in Russia, along with the 1917 revolution
minus-square@Nurgus@lemmy.worldlinkfedilink1•1 month agoI’m not arguing for slavery, you’re misunderstanding the quote. I didn’t say the change of masters was inherently no better than the previous masters. Revolution is always, in every example, a doorway for powerhungry authoritarians to swoop in. The fact that Haitians were eventually much better off than as slaves doesn’t change that.
minus-square@Prunebutt@slrpnk.netlinkfedilink1•1 month ago Revolution is always, in every example, a doorway for powerhungry authoritarians to swoop in. I disagree. Like I said: CNT/FAI Catalonia, 1919 Bavaria and anarchist Ukraine are counterexamples. If a revolution is thorough enough to eradicate the hierarchical structure of oppression, it doesn’t have to be used by authoritarians.
Slavery finished, replaced with forced labour and serfdom? That Haiti?
I’m not sure why you’re arguing in favour of literal slavery, but ok. There are other examples:
I’m not arguing for slavery, you’re misunderstanding the quote. I didn’t say the change of masters was inherently no better than the previous masters.
Revolution is always, in every example, a doorway for powerhungry authoritarians to swoop in.
The fact that Haitians were eventually much better off than as slaves doesn’t change that.
I disagree. Like I said: CNT/FAI Catalonia, 1919 Bavaria and anarchist Ukraine are counterexamples.
If a revolution is thorough enough to eradicate the hierarchical structure of oppression, it doesn’t have to be used by authoritarians.