• @echo
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    Just because you’re not following the argument nor participating in the conversation doesn’t mean I’m not making one.

    • Trump will be far worse for Gaza than Harris by every possible measure
    • For this reason, anyone who cares about Gaza must vote for Harris, no matter how repulsive they might find that choice to be
    • Harris must beat Trump
    • To do this Harris needs to take away voters from Trump
    • Harris coming out against Israel will give voters to Trump, not take them away from Trump
    • Harris must not come out against Israel before elected or she won’t get elected

    Anyone who cares about Gaza and doesn’t vote for Harris doesn’t actually care about Gaza and are just attention seeking, trolling, and/or fucking stupid.

    • @Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social
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      To do this Harris needs to take away voters from Trump

      You’ve provided no evidence at all for this, and all the available evidence demonstrates the contrary.

      Just declaring things to be the case isn’t an argument. You have to bring evidence to bear.

      Harris coming out against Israel will give voters to Trump, not take them away from Trump

      Again. No evidence, and all the available evidence is to the contrary.

      Harris must not come out against Israel before elected or she won’t get elected

      Again, all the evidence given shows the opposite.

      The vast majority of Democrat voters and a smaller group of Republican voters want to stop arms sale to Israel.

      A huge proportion of key voters in swing states want to stop arms sales to Israel.

      Voters angry at the Democrats for not stopping arms sales to Israel are actively saying they will abstain or vote Trump.

      No group, poll, or campaign has come out to claim they’ll vote Trump if the Democrats stop arms sales to Israel.

      All this evidence supports the view that stopping arms sales to Israel will gain Democrats a massive number of additional votes, some of which will be from otherwise Trump voters.

      You’ve provided no evidence to the contrary.