Jesus himself was probably just a faith-healing grifter, who when ever somebody asked him about wealth had a cheesy grin and an outstretched hand as he answered, “Yup. nope. that’s basically impossible. Gimme all you rmoney, and you’ll be fine though…”
I agree with everything but the fact that, of what is reported of Jesus, he was very anti-wealth, over and above what people need to get by and that a actual christianity is incompatible with capitalism.
To me, thats the part that certain types of “christians” need to be metaphorically slapped round the face with.
“Actual” Christianity likely wasn’t fully developed until well after his death. The earliest gospel was written 40-ish years after his death. I imagine the historic Jesus would be very surprised by some of the things he apparently said.
Jesus was a Jew. He saw himself as Jewish, following the Jewish faith; as did the disciples.
Christianity itself developed over the following generations., and so did the doctrine and its teachings. It didn’t spring fully formed into existence.
Also… to be “fully human”…. Are you so sure he wasn’t a hypocrite? There’s always been people using religion for their own selfish desires.
The earliest written account of what he said was written- at the earliest- around fifty years after his death.
Most witnesses can’t can’t give an accurate testimony as to what happened 2 hours ago. Most prepared witnesses, with copies of statements in front of them still can’t accurately state what happened six months ago.
Mark was the earliest gospel written at around 70 c.e., with the others following across 2 or 3 decades. You are attributing a reliability to people that exists no where else.
You don’t have to take my word for this. Compare events and attributed sayings between the gospels, you’ll see that there’s plenty of distinctions. Some of that is that they were written by different people, from differing perspectives and for different purposes, to different audiences.
Some of that is that they were written across 20-30 years, during a time in church history where doctrine and attitudes were rapidly shifting and coalescing- a period of church history where it was first becoming something different than, and something new.
And all this ignores malfeasance on the part of the authors.
as far as bible theories that will piss off the local churchies goes, this is almost as good as “rib was a poor translation, eve was made of adams penis bone and that’s why humans don’t have them”
Wtf
This is tax fraud using religion as a shield and a means to contoll the local rabble.
Jesus himself was probably just a faith-healing grifter, who when ever somebody asked him about wealth had a cheesy grin and an outstretched hand as he answered, “Yup. nope. that’s basically impossible. Gimme all you rmoney, and you’ll be fine though…”
I agree with everything but the fact that, of what is reported of Jesus, he was very anti-wealth, over and above what people need to get by and that a actual christianity is incompatible with capitalism.
To me, thats the part that certain types of “christians” need to be metaphorically slapped round the face with.
“Actual” Christianity likely wasn’t fully developed until well after his death. The earliest gospel was written 40-ish years after his death. I imagine the historic Jesus would be very surprised by some of the things he apparently said.
Jesus was a Jew. He saw himself as Jewish, following the Jewish faith; as did the disciples.
Christianity itself developed over the following generations., and so did the doctrine and its teachings. It didn’t spring fully formed into existence.
Also… to be “fully human”…. Are you so sure he wasn’t a hypocrite? There’s always been people using religion for their own selfish desires.
By actual Christianity, I mean Christianity in line with the things he was reported to have said, as opposed to ones that directly go against them.
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. Theyre still the things he’s reported to have said though.
The earliest written account of what he said was written- at the earliest- around fifty years after his death.
Most witnesses can’t can’t give an accurate testimony as to what happened 2 hours ago. Most prepared witnesses, with copies of statements in front of them still can’t accurately state what happened six months ago.
Mark was the earliest gospel written at around 70 c.e., with the others following across 2 or 3 decades. You are attributing a reliability to people that exists no where else.
You don’t have to take my word for this. Compare events and attributed sayings between the gospels, you’ll see that there’s plenty of distinctions. Some of that is that they were written by different people, from differing perspectives and for different purposes, to different audiences.
Some of that is that they were written across 20-30 years, during a time in church history where doctrine and attitudes were rapidly shifting and coalescing- a period of church history where it was first becoming something different than, and something new.
And all this ignores malfeasance on the part of the authors.
as far as bible theories that will piss off the local churchies goes, this is almost as good as “rib was a poor translation, eve was made of adams penis bone and that’s why humans don’t have them”
I like watching them get pissed and flustered and then asking them if he wasn’t a faith healer.
I know. I shouldn’t be an ass, and it’s the “grifter” part they take issue with…. But it’s too easy.
In any case, from the perspective of contemporary mainstream Judaism, he was just another rando Jewish mystic grifting the rubes.
As a side note: contrary to popular belief, none of the disciples started as particularly broke- they were by and large successful businessmen.