• Flax
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    -13 months ago

    So, you’re saying Jesus didn’t rise from the dead because it’s impossible. And that we know it’s impossible because nobody’s risen from the dead, which should include Jesus because you reject that he rose from the dead because it’s impossible.

    Isn’t this circular reasoning?

    • @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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      23 months ago

      Sure. Whenever discussing religion one will fall into circular reasoning, because faith itself is circular reasoning. One cannot use logic or reason to get out of a position that logic and reason did not get them into.

      • Flax
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        -13 months ago

        How is faith circular reasoning?

        • @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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          23 months ago

          And forgive me for my use of “impossible” earlier, that’s not my position.

          “Highly improbable” is a way better qualifier.

          Not going to edit it because it ruins the context.

          • Flax
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            -13 months ago

            Well, it is highly improbable, because only a few people have, either by this aforementioned person or himself. And it requires supernatural powers.

            • @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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              13 months ago

              Right, and it’s much more likely that some true stories about a great dude got exaggerated a little bit over 2000 years, and vanishingly less likely that magic is real.

              But both are absolutely possible.

              • Flax
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                -13 months ago

                The Jesus we believe in was written about 2000 years ago. Our beliefs haven’t changed.

          • Flax
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            -13 months ago

            Then our belief in anything can be put to circular reasoning

            • @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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              13 months ago

              Not exactly. Some things can be proven. But regarding things that happened thousands of years ago? Yeah that’s just everyone’s best guess and personal beliefs.

              • Flax
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                -13 months ago

                We can’t prove that anne frank existed though. Those videos of her could have been an actress. The story could have been an elaborate rouse. Etc, etc

                You believe that anne frank existed because you believe that she existed, etc, etc

                • @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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                  13 months ago

                  Odd example but correct, we cannot know with absolute certainty. But her story doesn’t feature magic, so it’s much easier to believe.