Terf stands for “Trans exclusionary Radical feminist”, which is a type of feminist that pushes for women’s rights, but doesn’t support transgender rights, and thinks MtF transgender people don’t count as women.
A lot of people have boycotted Hogwarts legacy because of her political views. Personally, I think it’s a bit extreme to boycott a great game made by a studio and developers that have nothing to do with her views just because she gets royalties on it, but that’s a matter of personal opinion
And they kinda very much *are* her views. She did, after all, write a series of books replete with Jewish stereotypes and slavery apologia that, yeah, went over a lot of our heads when the books first came out because yay wizardstuffs, but now in context with everything else, it makes more sense. This game even involves putting down a goblin rebellion.
I find it really tiresome that there are accounts still asking supposedly innocent questions. Yes, of course they mean Harry Potter, you’re in a discussion about a game set in the school which is central to the plot of the Harry Potter books.
That was not exactly obvious to me, I mean their description is far removed from what I remember the books being. Then there’s the fact they don’t mention the book by name, and since I’m not familiar with the author’s other works, I assumed they may have been referring to an earlier, lesser-known story.
Don’t be tired, you’re always going to have to clarify stuff for people, and if you’re positive about it you maximize the chances of a fruitful interaction
Now I’d love to know what in HP is a slavery apology because I have no memory of that
Is it really a great game though? It’s pretty, and the Hogwarts part is cool, but it’s pretty shit in my opinion. It doesn’t take it’s world seriously. For example, the groundskeeper is the person who teaches you how to pick locks (and they turned an unlocking spell into a shitty lockpicking mini game you have to do over and over) and tells you to break curfew. This is the only time the curfew even matters though. All other times you run around at night and no one is around and no one cares.
You also do the same three or four boring activities all over. Sure, the world is fairly large and looks pretty, but it’s about the most bland I’ve seen in a game, and it’s supposed to be magical. Every location just had these same thing to make it not feel empty, but it totally is.
They saw the Ubisoft open world games and had the thought of all the crap people complain about those for should be their goal, and then they somehow made them even worse. It is the most uninspired game I’ve played in a long time once you get past the graphics and thinking it’s cool just because the series it’s based on was done well.
Even if they don’t, buying this game still goes in to lining JKRs pockets, something she has explicitly considered as validation of her beliefs.
The makers of the movies, and the publishers of the books also probably didn’t all have anti-trans views, but they don’t have to for JKR to use them to cause harm.
I get it, the devs of a good game don’t deserve to be attached to her, but you’ve got to draw the line somewhere and this is where I’ve chosen to draw mine.
There was nothing like that in the HP books because the HP books were written by someone who is extremely anti-trans. It sounds like (although I’ve not played it) they put a trans character in to distance themselves from the IP holder’s views. It’s not really that they forced it there, they put one there to signify that they aren’t about that…
Then from what I understand put a bunch of anti-Semitic shit in their game. Either way, I can’t recommend picking up Hogwarts Legacy. The IP seems shallow, the ideals that the game pushes seem toxic, the IP’s ideals seem toxic, and overall, there are better things to spend money on than toxic AF people.
@headlesscyborg@bric the idea that you’re somehow into Linux and yet anti-trans is fucking mind blowing. Do you know how many Linux developers I’ve met that are trans? Get the fuck out of here.
@HellAwaits that’s skipping over the fact that they stated that they didn’t support the game EXPLICITLY because there was trans representation. Clearly they have an issue if representation gets under their skin so much. I mean I hate Nazis, but I still play Wolfenstein.
In fact, I’ve met more people who are massively into Linux and right-wing extremists thinking that Bill Gates is controlling the spy network through windows or some shit than I have left-wing extremists that are massively into Linux.
@moody what blows my mind is that this kinda crap was the EXACT SAME kind of stuff that people thought was ok to say about gays and lesbians in the 90s. 3 decades later and bigots are using the same damn play book from 30 years ago when really they need to just shut the fuck up and learn that people are allowed to exist without their express approval. Guaranteed this person has walked past a trans person and not known it at some point. I have no chill for these assholes.
@headlesscyborg if I gave any fucks what you or anyone else thought would I be free enough to look how I want? You can always see those with small egos because they think that attacking someone’s appearance is an effective strategy. I would expect absolutely no less from a complete bigot like you. At least now it’s also glaringly obvious how fragile you are on top of it.
J.K. Rowling’s anti-trans rhetoric and activism has enough influence to lead directly or otherwise to the further persecution and discrimination against an already marginalised minority group.
She at some point opted for or was identified by those with similar views as the term TERF, a ‘trans-exclusionary radical feminist’ (the acronym is arguably problematic). The queer community and queer allies use the term with a implied derogatory connotation. A number of TERFs who picked up on this connotation now believe that it is an insult, and do not wish to be labelled as such (despite TERFs coining the term themseIves).
J.K. Rowling’s anti-trans rhetoric and activism has enough influence to lead directly or otherwise to the further persecution and discrimination against an already marginalised minority group.
So does Lemmy and its developers pro-Uyghur slavery/genocide viewpoints. That doesn’t stop you from using or enjoying Lemmy though. Everyone has their own red line. Lemmy hasn’t crossed yours just like J. K. Rowling hasn’t crossed theirs.
No, that wouldn’t be a straw man argument. If you’re going to try to call fallacy on something you would have to argue appeal to hypocrisy. However the hypocrisy is based on your post and previous posts calling for a boycott for something you find morally reprehensible while at the same time using a platform created by the morally reprehensible. One you have a problem with the other you do not. It calls into question your own morals when they only serve you when you think they should. That’s all.
Yeah uh no, I didn’t argue one way or the other about a boycott. That was your assumption and you’re trying to get me to fight it. If I cared to tell people what to think about a heated topic on the internet and then defend my position it from a bunch of mouthbreathers, I would go back to Reddit.
You seen to be getting pretty upset about this topic for someone not arguing about it. If you don’t have a position, that’s fine. It doesn’t seem that way, but that’s you. Also that’s again not how straw man is defined.
This is a shit take honestly and it’s the exact reason people are calling her out. She has a large voice and a large reach, and she is reaching people like you who think these things which are completely nonsensical.
Lets just ban all of religion right now as well, because priests and the like are 500x more likely to be masquerading around as paedos, sex offenders and psychopaths
No one has mentioned banning anything. There is a very real problem with convicted people attempting to do this stuff, it’s very prominent and in the news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63823420
Please stop knee-jerk reacting and thinking that everything is black and white.
Once again, this is looking for a black and white answer. I don’t have one for you. But, I do believe engaging with people, looking at the pros and the cons and not attacking/defending with zeal is the best goal.
What’s that?
Terf stands for “Trans exclusionary Radical feminist”, which is a type of feminist that pushes for women’s rights, but doesn’t support transgender rights, and thinks MtF transgender people don’t count as women.
A lot of people have boycotted Hogwarts legacy because of her political views. Personally, I think it’s a bit extreme to boycott a great game made by a studio and developers that have nothing to do with her views just because she gets royalties on it, but that’s a matter of personal opinion
@waz @bric Except for this little bit:
https://kotaku.com/hogwarts-legacy-lead-designer-used-to-run-anti-social-j-1846316222
And they kinda very much *are* her views. She did, after all, write a series of books replete with Jewish stereotypes and slavery apologia that, yeah, went over a lot of our heads when the books first came out because yay wizardstuffs, but now in context with everything else, it makes more sense. This game even involves putting down a goblin rebellion.
What are these books ? do you mean Harry Potter ? something else ?
I find it really tiresome that there are accounts still asking supposedly innocent questions. Yes, of course they mean Harry Potter, you’re in a discussion about a game set in the school which is central to the plot of the Harry Potter books.
That was not exactly obvious to me, I mean their description is far removed from what I remember the books being. Then there’s the fact they don’t mention the book by name, and since I’m not familiar with the author’s other works, I assumed they may have been referring to an earlier, lesser-known story.
Don’t be tired, you’re always going to have to clarify stuff for people, and if you’re positive about it you maximize the chances of a fruitful interaction
Now I’d love to know what in HP is a slavery apology because I have no memory of that
Also, why “accounts”? instead of “people”
You’re not fooling anyone.
That’s a good thing, I certainly don’t intend to
Not sure why anyone would be suspicious of such a simple interaction lol
Is it really a great game though? It’s pretty, and the Hogwarts part is cool, but it’s pretty shit in my opinion. It doesn’t take it’s world seriously. For example, the groundskeeper is the person who teaches you how to pick locks (and they turned an unlocking spell into a shitty lockpicking mini game you have to do over and over) and tells you to break curfew. This is the only time the curfew even matters though. All other times you run around at night and no one is around and no one cares.
You also do the same three or four boring activities all over. Sure, the world is fairly large and looks pretty, but it’s about the most bland I’ve seen in a game, and it’s supposed to be magical. Every location just had these same thing to make it not feel empty, but it totally is.
They saw the Ubisoft open world games and had the thought of all the crap people complain about those for should be their goal, and then they somehow made them even worse. It is the most uninspired game I’ve played in a long time once you get past the graphics and thinking it’s cool just because the series it’s based on was done well.
Are you sure the developers have nothing to do with it?
Even if they don’t, buying this game still goes in to lining JKRs pockets, something she has explicitly considered as validation of her beliefs.
The makers of the movies, and the publishers of the books also probably didn’t all have anti-trans views, but they don’t have to for JKR to use them to cause harm.
I get it, the devs of a good game don’t deserve to be attached to her, but you’ve got to draw the line somewhere and this is where I’ve chosen to draw mine.
Oh, 100%. I was just pointing out that the whole project was shitty, not just JKR. But JKR is 100% shitty.
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There was nothing like that in the HP books because the HP books were written by someone who is extremely anti-trans. It sounds like (although I’ve not played it) they put a trans character in to distance themselves from the IP holder’s views. It’s not really that they forced it there, they put one there to signify that they aren’t about that…
Then from what I understand put a bunch of anti-Semitic shit in their game. Either way, I can’t recommend picking up Hogwarts Legacy. The IP seems shallow, the ideals that the game pushes seem toxic, the IP’s ideals seem toxic, and overall, there are better things to spend money on than toxic AF people.
@headlesscyborg @bric the idea that you’re somehow into Linux and yet anti-trans is fucking mind blowing. Do you know how many Linux developers I’ve met that are trans? Get the fuck out of here.
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@HellAwaits that’s skipping over the fact that they stated that they didn’t support the game EXPLICITLY because there was trans representation. Clearly they have an issue if representation gets under their skin so much. I mean I hate Nazis, but I still play Wolfenstein.
In fact, I’ve met more people who are massively into Linux and right-wing extremists thinking that Bill Gates is controlling the spy network through windows or some shit than I have left-wing extremists that are massively into Linux.
Yeah do you know how many Christians get vaccinated?
“Forced”
@moody I dunno, maybe the catgirls of the internet haxord them and FORCED a trans person in the game? /s
Or, maybe, just maybe, trans people don’t need an excuse to fucking exist?
CLEARLY it’s the first one
@moody what blows my mind is that this kinda crap was the EXACT SAME kind of stuff that people thought was ok to say about gays and lesbians in the 90s. 3 decades later and bigots are using the same damn play book from 30 years ago when really they need to just shut the fuck up and learn that people are allowed to exist without their express approval. Guaranteed this person has walked past a trans person and not known it at some point. I have no chill for these assholes.
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@headlesscyborg if I gave any fucks what you or anyone else thought would I be free enough to look how I want? You can always see those with small egos because they think that attacking someone’s appearance is an effective strategy. I would expect absolutely no less from a complete bigot like you. At least now it’s also glaringly obvious how fragile you are on top of it.
Very brave
J.K. Rowling’s anti-trans rhetoric and activism has enough influence to lead directly or otherwise to the further persecution and discrimination against an already marginalised minority group.
She at some point opted for or was identified by those with similar views as the term TERF, a ‘trans-exclusionary radical feminist’ (the acronym is arguably problematic). The queer community and queer allies use the term with a implied derogatory connotation. A number of TERFs who picked up on this connotation now believe that it is an insult, and do not wish to be labelled as such (despite TERFs coining the term themseIves).
So does Lemmy and its developers pro-Uyghur slavery/genocide viewpoints. That doesn’t stop you from using or enjoying Lemmy though. Everyone has their own red line. Lemmy hasn’t crossed yours just like J. K. Rowling hasn’t crossed theirs.
What exactly are you arguing against, here? I don’t waste time on people who try to strawman me.
No, that wouldn’t be a straw man argument. If you’re going to try to call fallacy on something you would have to argue appeal to hypocrisy. However the hypocrisy is based on your post and previous posts calling for a boycott for something you find morally reprehensible while at the same time using a platform created by the morally reprehensible. One you have a problem with the other you do not. It calls into question your own morals when they only serve you when you think they should. That’s all.
Yeah uh no, I didn’t argue one way or the other about a boycott. That was your assumption and you’re trying to get me to fight it. If I cared to tell people what to think about a heated topic on the internet and then defend my position it from a bunch of mouthbreathers, I would go back to Reddit.
Your comment is a de facto strawman.
You seen to be getting pretty upset about this topic for someone not arguing about it. If you don’t have a position, that’s fine. It doesn’t seem that way, but that’s you. Also that’s again not how straw man is defined.
Im genuinely interested in a source for this statement.
Edit: I added the quote block for clarity.
@h3mlocke @Morgikan Here’s a brief overview of what happened: https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy
Lol, no, this part. Sorry I should have specified, I already know JK is a TERF.
Idiots
jk rowling the resident sub-human trash
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My dude unironically believes that people are out here cutting off their dicks so they can victimize others.
No one said anything about people cutting off their dicks to victimise others. This is just a clickbait reply, for what? There’s no karma here.
some examples of your “brilliant philanthropist”
That’s the most based article I’ve read.
This is a shit take honestly and it’s the exact reason people are calling her out. She has a large voice and a large reach, and she is reaching people like you who think these things which are completely nonsensical.
Lets just ban all of religion right now as well, because priests and the like are 500x more likely to be masquerading around as paedos, sex offenders and psychopaths
No one has mentioned banning anything. There is a very real problem with convicted people attempting to do this stuff, it’s very prominent and in the news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63823420
Please stop knee-jerk reacting and thinking that everything is black and white.
So then what, in your opinion, is the endgame here with Trans people?
Once again, this is looking for a black and white answer. I don’t have one for you. But, I do believe engaging with people, looking at the pros and the cons and not attacking/defending with zeal is the best goal.
Thing change. So do arguments.
That’s great and all, but you are the one who made the statement. So, I’m asking you to defend that statement.
@allywilson @oneshibbyguy fuck off with this shit. JK Rowling has caused real, material harm to trans women in the UK and elsewhere.
Wtf?.. Your reasoning is dumb as fuck
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