• @echo
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    11 month ago

    And, if we get rid of tipping and pay them a fair wage then all of the smoke and mirrors / abuse goes away. Further, maybe you shouldn’t be paying much if any taxes on 60k/year…

    Quit falling into the logic trap that this is a fight between those who don’t get enough. The rich need to be paying a hell of a lot more and the poor need to be paying a hell of a lot less.

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      You’re mixing issues there, this is exactly what eliminating taxes on certain forms of income would lead to, fights between people of the lower classes, I can tell you from experience because at my previous job we were in this exact situation, salaried employees knew that tipped employees didn’t pay taxes on everything they got and would work against them when negotiating to renew their collective agreement instead of joining hands and fighting against the employer.

      The fact that rich people don’t pay their fair share is a separate issue entirely and even if then did it wouldn’t make it ok to eliminate taxes on certain work related forms of incomes instead of adjusting tax brackets.

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        11 month ago

        I’m not mixing anything. I am very consistently advocating for:

        • Eliminate tipping entirely
        • Pay people a living wage
        • Make the bottom tax bracket quite large
          • @echo
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            01 month ago

            I provided both answers… I love how you’re here to defend the rich.

            salaried employees knew that tipped employees didn’t pay taxes on everything they got and would work against them when negotiating to renew their collective agreement instead of joining hands and fighting against the employer.

            So the salaried employees were the rich in this case. Fucking petty-ass losers. So worried that a peon might get paid that they had to fuck themselves in the process.

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              No, the tipped employees were the rich because they had the same earnings but paid about 10k less in taxes. In some departments the tipped employees were the ones who made the most money in the whole building, I’m talking 500$ a shift in tip, 5 shifts a week, taxed on whatever they felt like putting on their weekly report.

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                01 month ago

                So fucking report them to the IRS to make them pay their taxes. You’re talking about tax fraud right now. You’re also talking about the exception and not the rule. Most tipped employees have a guaranteed wage of around $2/hr and don’t end up making anywhere near a living wage. Quit trying to fuck over the tipped workers and instead go after the corporate bosses and the billionaires. They’re the problem… not your tax fraud buddy sitting next to you working for tips.

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                  I think you very much underestimate what tipped workers make in general compared to salaried jobs requiring the same level of qualification.

                  Anyway, I thought you were in favor of people not paying taxes on tips… Gotta make up your mind there buddy, you should be happy they’re sticking it to the man and refusing to pay taxes on what is rightfully their money, right? You can’t decide that just because they make more tip than most then it doesn’t apply to them, same rules for everyone or no rules at all!

                  • @echo
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                    11 month ago

                    You’re hell-bent on trying to change what I’ve said and you can quit that shit already…

                    • first and foremost - get rid of tips
                    • second - pay a living wage
                    • raise the bottom tax bracket substantially
                    • fine the fuck out of tax cheats
                    • get rid of the urban legend that a significant number of folks getting tipped are getting rich on it