Yep, even the median people on Lemmy.world are slowly coming to correct analysis slowly.

So basically you’re just upset that the devs of an anti-Capitalist platform are Communists, and it’s not enough that they do free dev work on a platform used by many people, they must bend to your will to do so? The entitlement is off the charts.

What “different instance?” Lemmy.ml has always been the test instance, you can block it if you don’t like dealing with Communists. You’re complaining about an anti-Capitalist, federated platform being developed by Communists, if you want a platform with everyone conforming to your views there are other platforms for you.

They’ll still defend it, somehow.

That’s like saying “Marx was a free-market Capitalist” is a “No True Scotsman.” Marx regularly got into conflicts with Anarchists like Bakunin, and spent great effort explaining why he disagreed with Anarchism.

Cuba, the PRC, Vietnam, etc. All of those are countries where Public Ownership is the principle aspect of their economies. Socialism isn’t the same as welfare Capitalism.

Sure, that’s fair. The reason I stress that analyzing which is principle is because that determines the trajectories and class character of the system as a whole, not which percentage of total public vs private exists. The Capitalist nature of the Nordic Countries explains why worker protections are shrinking over time, and why these countries depend on outsourced labor to exist in the first place.

Those people don’t really exist, just like the people who said that the “commies eat babies” back in the 1960s.

I haven’t really seen what you describe, I do think if you’re saying something extremely unpopular in an area getting downvoted is to be expected, though.

Which part, the bit on the Marxists on Lemmy being aligned with Marxist orgs worldwide, or that “tankie” is just a pejorative for Marxists?

There are a lot of Marxists on servers run by Marxists. I wouldn’t call disagreements toxic or brigading being especially worse on Lemmy.ml than other instances.

Anarcho-Communists are not Marxists, Marx firmly rejected Anarchism. I think you’re confusing the Marxist conception of Communism with the Anarchist. For Marxists, the state is an instrument of class oppression, and to eliminate it, you must eliminate class. An important note, class is not hierarchy. There exists inter-class hierarchy, such as bourgeois and proletarian, but also intra-class hierarchy, such as managers and workers. A fully publicly owned and planned global economy is what Marxists envision as “Communism.” Without any property distinctions, there is no class, and thus no need for special bodies of armed men to uphold property distinctions, no need for things like property rights, while things like administration remain.

This is because Marx’s view of Socialism is as it emerges from Capitalism. As Capitalism advances, large industry emerges, and with it cooperative production and increasing complexity in fewer and fewer firms. Marx therefore saw the Proletariat, growing greater in number and the bourgeoisie lesser and lesser as competition dies out, as taking control and directing this new economy in its own interests. It isn’t about reversing trends into decentralized communes, as in Marx’s eyes, this retains class distinctions, as each commune only owns itself, and thus there is no mechanism for equal ownership across communes, and therefore a necessity for a “state” in each commune to protect these rights and competition between communes for production and trade.

For Anarchists, the state is about hierarchy. Tackling this is the primary objective. This is why when Anarchists judge Marxists on their ability to abolish what Anarchists percieve as the state, they find Marxists invariably fall flat. However, when Marxists are judged on their own merits and own goals, we find Marxists to be quite successful.

We can discuss more about your analysis of the USSR’s form of Socialism, and how it’s Marxist, but distinct from the Anarchist view, but the discrepancy I described is more important.

All economies are mixed. The US has a Public Postal Service, and Cuba has small private ownership. When discussing Capitalism vs Socialism, what matters more is which form of ownership forms the principle aspect of the economy, ie has control of large firms, key industries, etc.

Norway and Denmark are Social Democracies. Private Property is the basis of their economies, the large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly privately owned. Socialism would imply the opposite, Public Ownership of the overwhelming majority of large firms and key industries, at minimum.

1. Lemmy.ml is a test server, it’s needed for development

2. Donations pay their salaries, everything donated goes towards their living expenses in general. If they go to the movies, you are also paying for that. It’s the same as a company paying programming workers xyz wage, that’s the price of software labor, but it doesn’t mean all of that money directly goes to the bare necessities for maintaining dev work.

“Tankie” is the same as “pinko” and “commie,” it’s just a pejorative for those who support Socialist countries. The major views of the Marxists on Lemmy are in line with the views of various Communist parties worldwide.

Exactly, which is why spending time on instance drama is silly. Federation and defederation are tools, along with personal blocking, for a reason.

Almost true, being Communists has certainly influenced the reasons for Lemmy as a federated, anticapitalist alternative to Reddit to begin with.

They need users to test, and let people in to do so. The fact that the people here use the server is a necessary function for getting feedback and results from testing. Plus, the server costs are cheap, it’s the life costs that you would really be supporting.

Lemmy.ml is how they test new features, it’s a tool necessary for development. You can block Lemmy.ml or use an instance defederated from it if you wish, but it’s necessary as far as development is concerned.