Every time Windows updates itself, my Linux disappears. Actually, it’s just hidden, only the boot menu was overwritten. You need a computer maintenance technician to make a new boot menu. I use a USB stick with a live Linux with automatic boot repair tools.
Recently, Windows has become resistant to Boot Repair Disk. Now I have to open computer firmware by tapping “Esc” right after power-up, then select “Boot options”, then “Linux”.
EU must ban all US-made smart products for its own safety. All closed-source software and electronics that can be used for strategic manipulation and sabotage – Google, Apple, Amazon, all of it.
We have functional, clunky open-source software that could easily be fitted for any purpose with the money we waste propping up foreign monopolies sabotaging us. Europe has taken a huge risk. I suspect bribery.
This is anti competitive behaviour. It’s kind of criminal
The fix for this is pretty simple. Uninstall Windows and never look back. I haven’t used any Microsoft products in years now.
Worked for me
Removing windows, like putting on an ad blocker, is just basic security at this point.
I got do pissed one day that I figured out a good work around. Get a second drive just big enough for Linux and a third just big enough for windows. Then just remove windows and Linux from your big “must be safe” drive. Now install Linux on your Linux drive and Windows on your windows drive. Next, go to Fstab on Linux and Mount your big drive as either home for all users or a single user’s home. Similarly go to Windows and mount the Linux home drive. You’ll probably need to install drivers to even see the thing. I don’t mix my Linux home. Instead I have a small drive for windows to fuck up shit into (which is what it does). Finally use the Linux bootloader and tell Windows to stay in its fucking place or shut the fuck up. It works.
As sad as that sounds in terms of maintenance and work for the average person,it checks out.
As someone that learned this the hard way in the 2000s with no other family computer backup, with some technical skills, this is a small slip up from Microsoft.
Instead of installing Linux in my computer and maintaining some un-maintainable windows copy on my dads computer, I’ll just install Linux mint or similar on his computer and tell him to click the big Firefox icon on the desktop as usual.
I have my pc with linux only. Works like a charm.
Then I have my winbox for stuff that doesn’t run on linux.
I won’t mix those two together ever.
I mean Microsofts programming is also just shit. I remember installing Windows 7 back then. The computer had an SSD and a HDD in it with old files. I later removed the HDD and it wouldn’t boot. Because even though I installed Windows on the SSD, it put the bootloader onto the HDD.
I had the exact same thing happen to me and it pissed me off so much.
Windows still does that to this day. For some random reason, it will often create the EFI boot partition in a different drive than the one you’re installing Windows to.
Yeah… It’s typically best to only connect the drive you want the OS on, then add the other(s) post install
This meme got me. Really do be that way.
They are doing everyone a favor. Why woukd you want that shit on your computer at all?
Or if you simply must use Windows, why not use KVM?
This seems like Windows developers doing everyone a solid: “You sure you want this shit to have root access over everyrhing?” they are asking.
I’m surprised that Windows overrides the UEFI partition at every boot. They should not be allowed to do this.
But also, i’m kinda surprised that Windows allows the wubi.exe Ubuntu installer to write to the UEFI boot menu.
I agree that better regulations need to be put in place. I too suspect bribery. How else would you explain that we’re getting surveillance package instead of this?
FWIW dual booting from the same physical drive is never a good idea in my experience. Even Linux-Linux dual booting is just asking for problems when one of them updates the grub configs and messes it up for the other.
Save yourself some sanity and move your Windows install to a new drive.
I tried to do a dual boot from 2 hard drives (windows main), had to restore the Linux side early on, using its built in restore tool, and the computer would not boot after beyond a black screen without pulling the battery for the BIOS off the motherboard. No boot menus or firmware or bios menus were accessible until I did that.
That’s the worst oh shit did I fully break my computer moment ever.
and when one drive fails you can boot from the other drive and repair your system
That’s actually why i don’t auto-mount
/bin/bootin linux. It only messes things up when it updates the kernel.As someone who just started using Linux regularly, this seems bonkers to me.
Unless you’re building your own kernel and compiling apps from scratch, why would anything in /bin break?
Sorry i meant
/boot, on some systems it seems to link to the EFI partition, so when you have a dual-boot setup, updating the kernel breaks the other system’s kernel or something… I just checked and it seems to not be an issue on my current setup, as they aren’t links to the EFI partition.Oh, that makes more sense.
Still, from my tests with Mint, it looks like it probes other disks and partitions when updating grub, and reinstalls it correctly. But I suppose there are cases where the probe could fail and you’d have to boot from the grub prompt.
yeah it’s more of a hypothetical worry, i guess. since every system seems to handle boot a bit differently (unfortunately), it’s difficult to get a definite answer to that.
I personally love the UEFI boot system, but it’s not typically directly used. Instead, some complicated grub setup is often in place. That makes it a bit of a complicated question.
One if my laptops only has 1 bay for a drive unfortunately. Currently going through the motion OP describes. Updating Windows and repairing the bootloader. It’s still MBR, not uefi, too.
Does it have an optical disk drive? You could replace that with an HDD caddy if you really want an extra disk
This is really the advice to take. I tried dual boot and went back to Windows due to it nuking grub.
Tried again after buying a new SSD and haven’t had an issues since
this - there needs to be a standard for all installers to get behind
what is windows?
Win11 bricked my linux install usb. Microsoft also colluded with intel to make intel cpus appear to perform better by sandbagging AMD cpus.
Bill Gates may be a nice guy but his company has become trash.
Bill Gates may have become a nice guy but his company is trash.
Better, no?
has become trash
It was always trash and always fucked with Linux and other OS. The only solution is no Windows.
Sad thing is, the NT kernel itself is POSIX and compatible and all. But the UI on top doesn’t support half of it.
Edit: it was POSIX and OS/2 compatibel, then they removed it.
The funny thing is, as far as I can tell, the only reason why NT has a posix subsystem is to comply with some weird government regulation.
From Wikipedia:
The NT POSIX subsystem was included with the first versions of Windows NT because of 1980s US federal government requirements listed in Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 151-2. Briefly, these documents required that certain types of government purchases be POSIX-compliant, so that if Windows NT had not included this subsystem, computing systems based on it would not have been eligible for some government contracts.
Come on, 2000me was good.
I’m just gonna put this here for no reason. https://youtu.be/lFS9DFXtj1M
Safest thing to do is run windows only in a VM or container with Linux as the host OS and pass the hardware required in. Windows actually runs better this way and can’t mess with your Linux install.
“That’s not how anything works” meme material right here.
How can literally anything run better on a vm compared to physical?
To understand why windows runs better in a vm or container, you’d have to understand how the windows kernels work… And that means understanding how all the code from every previous Windows kernel that is still in windows 11 works. Since they never did a full rewrite. For example you’d have to understand why blue screens of death happen, and how windows telemetry works, what code from windows 3.1 still exist, and what windows 11 really does when it tries to serve you ads. I’m not qualified, and as far as I can tell no one at Microsoft is either.
I know your wrote some kind of gotcha but you really should try it and see for yourself if you actually need windows for anything. At a minimum I guarantee it’s more stable.
How does it run better?
I’ve avoided it specifically for performance reasons, this is new to me, for one program that WINE doesn’t like.
Linux manages disk access way better than Windows.
But anything that depends on CPU, memory, or IO lattency will get slower.
I’ve not actually benchmarked it. Although others have and I couldn’t really tell you why but windows spends a lot less time and resources trying to manage itself when it’s in a VM or container. It’s just much snapier and even when passing in a GPU to play games it preforms well.
None of this has ever been my experience
AFAIK Virtualization is very Dependant on hardware. Some processors are not optimized for virtualization at all so even if you have great video cards or anything the virtualization could still run like shit for you and run seamlessly for someone with less specs. Don’t ask me which ones are good I learnt this the hard way while trying to use a celeron to run a VM.
Well, to some degree I’m sure you’re right. But the thing is, I’ve used VMs off and on for at least 15 years on AMD, Intel, and ARM cpus. My universal experience has been that software running within those VMs, even on an incredibly fast host machine, runs so slow it’s painful. I have mostly used VirtualBox which I know a lot of people hate but it’s been the only one I have found that usually “just works”. So I dunno. If you have a better suggestion for a VM host that runs fast on linux (x86) I’d love to hear it because I’m currently trying to permanently ditch windows and VMs could be a part of that because I do want access to Photoshop and a few other Adobe apps. But thusfar when I’ve tried that, the slowness has been unbearable.
I ran a virtualbox vm too but for installing an old game I want to scavenge the resources from. It went so slow that I ended installing atlas on another laptop just to have have it done “this day”. So I don’t have many suggestions sorry XD. I ditched the photoshop too for gimp so there is barely a “turning back”. Most of the games that I wan to play seems to work in linux anyway.
Oh ok. I thought you were saying you had better performance on windows on VMs so I was just wondering if I had missed that due to the host software or something
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If you aren’t gaming, you don’t care about performance past giving CPU/RAM enough resources to VM.
If you are multiplayer gaming and unwilling to give it up or be very tech savvy, VM isn’t an option.
Well maybe, see: https://looking-glass.io/
If you single player game, you just need pcie passthrough to your VM.
Those resources are the concern. Yes, a VM works fine, but works better than native windows? That’s where my question is.
Also, I care a lot about performance if I’m running my system on a potato.
Expect at least a 20% performance hit with a hypervisor compared to bare metal
This is the way.
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I agree with your post but I must ask - is that King Charles taking the
wheelUEFI Boot partition?Thanks for the confirmations. It indeed seems to be King Charles taking the UEFI Boot Partition.
MicrosoftMonarchy at it again taking what belongs to the people.That it is, old Chucky Sausagefingers
When I found the image, the file name claimed it’s him. Then Lemmy changed the file name.
Wait, King Charles is black?
EDIT: the man in the picture has dark skin. Drag assumed he was black.
MOD: I assume this is a reference to something, but you will have to edit the reply to reflect that. It’s a huge stretch, and as written it comes of needlessly racist.
Windows 11 gets worse with every update, might start running it in a VM
On my laptop I need windows for an OBDII dongle, luckily the software works fine in a VM.
I use a Dualboot with Windows 10 (there are unfortunately some very few games I couldn’t get to run with Linux, otherwise I had removed Windows a long time ago) but I never ran into this problem. Someone here wrote about efimgr, could be that I installed that by accident and this helps. I just followed some random tutorial back then.
Did you try the tinkering recommendations on protonDB? They’re great. Might be able to help you if you hadn’t tried them.
Yes, I did. Most of the time that works, but there is one game which I absolutely love, Space Engineers, and I could not get that to work with any amount of tinkering.
Edit: I just tried it again. Installation of Proton GE was necessary and had some hiccups. Used command line values from ProtonDB. Space Engineers kind of works now. Performance isn’t great though, some sudden FPS drops.
Hey, drag. I can tell you that most people trying to switch from Windows to Linux do not want to sit there after a long day at work and tinker with stuff to just get a game running.
Yesterday, after a 10 hour shift, I got home and tried to get WeMod working on my openSUSE Tumbleweed. I got home at 6 in the afternoon, and had been up since 6 that morning. It wasn’t until 9 PM that I was finally able to get WeMod working with Mass Effect Legendary Edition, thanks to the WeMod-launcher team over on GirHub.
That means I was only able to play for maybe an hour before bed just because I wanted something that is as simple as double clicking on Windows, and playing.
Now, I understand I’m an edge case, because I want to use cheats on my games. That’s just the general attitude I’ve seen when trying to get people to switch over myself.
“Why isn’t my program working?”
“Oh, yeah. Programs for Windows don’t work as they should. You have to do x and y and then sprinkle a little bit of z in this config file over here on this other other program”
“What the fuck? That’s stupid.”
“No man. It’s really cool once you start to understand!”
“Please help me get my Windows back. I don’t want to bother with this, I just want to play my game / use my program”
Literal conversation I’ve had.
I have to say, my experience with Linux gaming was much better. Most of the games I play work more or less immediately without any tinkering at all. Of course if you play games which are protected by kernel-level anticheat measures then you are pretty much out of luck at this time. And there are other edge cases like you mentioned.
I think while glorifying the Linux gaming experience is wrong, it still has made enormous progress in the last years and it is worth a try for anyone who distrusts or dislikes Microsoft. Breaking monopolies isn’t easy, but I personally think it is necessary to regain ownership over rmy own hardware, even if it makes things a bit more complicated in the beginning.
I couldn’t agree any more! I love Linux, and what it stands for, completely. I am trying my hardest to only stay on my Linux partition and find workarounds in the meantime time.
I am happy that for the most part, games do work with minimal tweaking. I just want to bring edge cases like mine into the conversation because people will tell others who are fresh into the Linux space that’s it is nothing but sunshine and rainbows, but never admit that there are still very real limitations to what is available and what can and can not work that most normal people would want from their OS, which is ease of use.
I understand we are in a bubble here, and we all know what it brings to the table, but for someone dipping their toes into it for the first time, they are being led to believe it’s really as simple as just installing a new OS and everything just works.
That’s just not the reality as of right now, no matter if all of your games work or not. Not everyone else is going to have the same easy experience some of us have here, because they are wanting to use their computer for things like modding or cheats or use programs that don’t work with Linux very well such as ME3Tweaks to install mods onto Mass Effect for example, or Reloaded-II to install mods to Atlus games like Persona/Metaphor.
Well I think there are Linux evangelists who won’t accept that Linux might not fit everyone’s needs and I despise that attitude. As an example, anyone who professionally works with documents all day knows that the most recommended Linux Office solution is absolutely inferior to the commercially available ones, and yet they push that hard and get really angry if someone begs to differ. There is a lot of ignorance towards the actual needs of users.
On the other hand, there are users who come from an ecosystem they are used to, and they find it hard to adjust to a new one and then blame the unfamiliar territory. I myself am a Linux user for over a decade, and whenever I have to fix something in a Windows system I’m astonished how difficult it actually is compared to what I’m used to. Everything is hidden deeply in seemingly random subsections of subsections of some weirdly named apps, the error codes are cryptic and the available documentation and support forums are borderline useless. In contrast, if I have a problem in Linux, even if I have no clue about the matter at hand, it’s mostly trivial for me to find a solution online. But to an extent I have to blame myself for not being open to learn the Windows way of doing stuff (I’m stubborn and I have a short fuse when things are not working as intended)
What that boils down to essentially, for both the Linux evangelist and the average user who just wants to get shit done: if you’re coming from one ecosystem and you try to assess the feasibility of another, don’t expect things to work as you’re used to, because then you’re only projecting your own limitations.
EU must ban all US-made smart products for its own safety. All closed-source software and electronics that can be used for strategic manipulation and sabotage – Google, Apple, Amazon, all of it.
Well this solves your first issue, Microsoft is US based. So just uninstall windows.
"Computers are like air conditioning.
They become useless when you open windows"
- some Finnish dude
