For my “convenience” and because in this way they can show ads and clickbait
Also: I SET A FUCKING GROUP POLICY THAT DISABLES THE SEARCH BAR; WHY THEY FUCKING IGNORE IT???
Classic microsoft move.
Linux has gotten great over the years and keeps improving while windows gets worse and worse every day. This has been going on for many years now.
I switched already and suggest you give it a shot as well. It’s honestly much easier than windows if you know the basics and understand how things are done there.
How is it for gaming?
Pretty damn good these days.
I just got a new game off steam, no issues with installation. Thats my experience this entire year.
Fantastic - made the jump a month ago. I don’t play FPS games. Those are the ones that have trouble running on Linux due to anti-cheast software, but the vast majority of my 600 steam games run with no issues it all - at sometimes running even better than on windows.
For example division 2 was sluggish on win11 on my Lenovo y540 (integrated GeForce whatever gaming laptop card) with 16gig of ram, now that I swapped over to Pop!_os - it doesn’t lag at all.
I mostly play single player games, but guild wars 2 2 and ff14 work great too if you are an MMO fan.
PoE works great if you want an ARPG to play.
Make the move and own your PC again.
Can you play Games like World of Warcraft on Linux?
I’ve played world of Warcraft on Linux for at least 8 years now.
You can yes, you can use Lutris and it will help you get that installed. GW2 and FF14 will both run with steam (proton)
Not a gamer myself but from reading it used to be “this is a limited list of games that will work in Linux” and now it’s a “this is a limited list of games that will not work”, with a lot of thanks to valve, pop-os!, etc.
I have been a Linux gamer for the past 10 years. I haven’t booted into Windows to play a video game in 8.
When I started out, it was very much a question of “Here is the list of games that work on Linux.” You had to look for that Steam logo next to the Windows or sometimes Apple logo on the Steam page, and there are some games I would have played years earlier had that logo been there. With Proton, it has switched to “Here is a list of the games that don’t work on Linux.” Because most just do, with the very notable exception of competitive shooters, because something something anticheat.
I often hear that games actually run better on Linux than they do on Windows, except the newer whiz-bang features don’t work. Give a recent example, apparently Cyberpunk 2077 runs at a significantly higher framerate on Linux than Windows, but DLSS, HDR and RTX aren’t available.
Let me tell you the tales of two gamers on Linux:
My tale: I was disgusted with Windows 8.1, I had been learning some Linux because I wanted to use a Raspberry Pi with my ham radio stuff, so I went…why don’t I try switching? This was circa 2014. There was exactly one game in my Steam library that just could not be persuaded to run and that was Sleeping Dogs.
There have been a few games I’ve wanted to try that refused to run in some way or another; Heave Ho! by Devolver Digital…the demo ran fine, had a good time with it. Bought the game, and the UI on the player select screen didn’t work. Grow Up or Grow Home (one is a sequel to the other, I forget which it was) launched, but the character didn’t respond to any controls. Oh and Fallout: New Vegas launched one of those Windows-style autorun screens then asked me to put in the DVD. I bought it from Steam. And refunded it.
I generally avoid AAA games, I don’t play many online multiplayer games, I do play multiplayer games with friends, stuff like Stardew Valley or Unrailed, but I don’t go play with random people online, those just are not fun to me. I tend to prefer more indie stuff, more nerdy stuff, like I’ve got hundreds of hours in Factorio and Satisfactory, both work fine. I think it just so happens that I’m into games that are likely to be well supported on Linux. Antichamber, Firewatch, Hollow Knight, Return of the Obra Dinn, every Zachtronics game I’ve tried, Undertale, Subnautica, these all run great.
My cousin: had an aging Dell upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 on an “optane boosted” hard disk drive, starting to run pretty sluggish. Swapping out the hard disk and optane module for an SSD and attempting to install Win10 on bare metal just wouldn’t work, it kept throwing cryptic errors, so to get the machine to work at all I put Linux Mint on it.
She has more mainstream tastes than I do, lots of Bethesda and EA games. Funnily enough, I found that the third-party launchers were the real problem. The Sims 4 ran pretty well on Linux…Origin barely does. Minecraft support on Linux is actually worsening with time as a result of Microsoft’s involvement, but at least the Java edition does currently run.
In brief, I have observed a very stark inverse relationship between Linux compatibility of games, and the size/corporateness/evilness of the developer.
Luckily I don’t play multiplayer games online either. Losing DLSS is rough though
Owning a GTX-1080, I haven’t really noticed.
I’m not really worried about stuff like that because it’s a self-bootstrapping cycle. As more end users adopt Linux, more effort will be put into supporting it.
Have you tried Red Dead Redemption 2? I’m looking at switching over to Linux soonish.
No I haven’t.
Mildly inconvenient at worst unless certain anti cheat software is being used. At best, you can run games on Linux that your machine may not be able to handle on windows because distros that use more resources than windows are rare. Steam on Linux has proton built into it and it just works once you set it to run through it. You might have gpu driver trouble with Nvidia but it’s a maybe issue that happens less and less.
I play Baldurs Gate 3 on it and it turned out the issues I thought might be linux related were hardware, when I fixed it it worked perfectly.
Great, I play a lot on it and the only game I had to use windows for so far was titanfall 2 because it kept stuttering on linux and troubleshooting stutter is hard.
In my experience, much of the studdering comes from the desktop environments. If you’re using Gnome, try KDE or one of the others. If it changes then it’s probably the Compositor settings. It’s a pain but once you find the right settings, oh yeah it’s great
Thanks, I use KDE on X already (thank you nvidia) and find gnome’s design absolutely asinine, so I’ll try to fiddle around with the compositor settings.
SteamOS has been a big boon to the Linux gaming world.
Pretty great actually. Not as out of the box as on Windows but almost there. Firstly you get a vastly different experience depending on if you are using Steam. Since I have my entire library on Steam I can’t say anything about other stores. There’s imo 3 points where the experience still differs:
1 - you have to enable Proton as the default compatability tool, Valve has a guide for it and the setting is pretty straightforward to find.
2 - Most games just work now but a few don’t in those cases things like protondb.com are an enormous help.
3 - Mods are hit and miss (Steam Workshop works fine) depending on the game, for Cyberpunk for example I had to mess with the Proton Config a bit but there were guides for it. However since we are now in a niche of a niche (modding a game running proton) you’re likely to run into unexplored territory
Between Steam’s Proton Compatibility Layer and Lutris, pretty damn fine.
With the release of the steam deck Linux gaming has gotten a lot better and more support since their steam OS is a branch of Debian. A lot of games now support Linux gaming more than before.
It’s Arch based now
This is the way
Not every distro of Linux has gotten better, for the most part this comment is innacurate. That said, I have generally had the same experience here, but I use arch btw.
Downvoting the arch meme? Are the Linux people grumpy today?
We’re always grumpy at Windows people.
I just wanted to talk out of my ass here and drop a joke lol. I think it was the HC Linux people disagreeing that not all distro have gotten better. It was bs fluff for the meme lol
Also: I SET A FUCKING GROUP POLICY THAT DISABLES THE SEARCH BAR; WHY THEY FUCKING IGNORE IT???****
because you dont own your pc. microfrost does
The OS, not the PC.
If you own a Microsoft product the technical own your balls, read the fine print
I should ask my friend in IT about this to confirm.
Just ask him to return your balls
Bad news. He won’t. :(
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The os controls the PC. As long as it’s running it’s controlling it
if you refer to the hardware as “PC” then you are wrong, the OS utilizes the hardware and uses it. it cannot destroy it, and even if it could by using a lot of resources, “controlling” is the wrong word here. Microsoft owns the OS, not your computer and/or its hardware
control is the perfect word for it. they control the hardware. doesnt mean necessarily that they can break it but they can do anything physically possible with it.
fair but the original post is about microsoft controlling something in the OS
I am sure they just replaced the gpo with another one and accidentally forgot to carry over the setting.
They new one is totally better though and will improve your experience. You should configure it.
windows is malware
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the fact they did this on ltsc as well is insane
definitely insane to do this on LTSC
Makes me worried what Microsoft force onto us next.
Advertising in the explorer, personalised by the files you’re looking at
Fuck you for being right
I doubt that they would go that far for ltsc. But maybe windows store?
they don’t care, they will put it everywhere they can.
While that is true for normal user versions. But do you really think that for enterprise?
Not to mention that ltsc is enterprise with less features for stability. We don’t have windows store, Cortana or even edge.
if it can add an extra buck to the enterprise profits they will go the extra mile to get that buck
Or on znls. It’s ridiculous
I switched to Linux when the “We’ve scheduled your free update to Windows 10!”-like popup started appearing again and again on my Win7 machine even though I disabled it. I didn’t like not having a choice and they only got worse from there. Meanwhile, you have full control over every part of a Linux system. You can even uninstall the update manager if you feel like it.
They’re getting there with windows 11… first it was ‘hey you’re compatible with windows 11’ now they’ve stepped up to a full screen non-skippable screen a big ‘upgrade to windows 11’ but still with a button to stay on windows 10 hidden in the corner. It’s only a matter of time before that button disappears.
I tried the Win11 compatibility app once, it said i wasn’t compatible due to some BIOS settings I needed to change. Nah, I’m good, and it hasn’t bugged me to upgrade since.
I made mine deliberately incompatible by disabling the fTPM but started getting the upgrade prompts recently.
I’m almost glad my current hardware doesn’t support Windows 11. No matter how much it tries, it can’t force me to have different hardware.
I remember a lot of folks waking up one day to find their system had borked itself overnight installing Win 10 without their permission. It doesn’t matter to Microsoft if it’ll actually work.
And when you feel really adventurous….
You can delete the kernel….
Everybody does it at least once, just to see. Usually it’s just to see. MS support reps still learning the power of grep …. “Where are the backups” is both a question you want to hear … and really don’t want to hear. (At the start, it says they’re… at least thorough… an hour to the end of the patch window… not so much.)
Remove the update manager? Remove the bootloader and all kernels if you want to - you might if you’re preparing a container image, it won’t stop you. Remove glibc and init? Fine, if that’s what you want - might have no need for those if you’re prepping it up for embedded.
The price of having a computer that does exactly what it’s told is that you have to know what to tell it. But that’s well worth while.
We’re approximately the same vintage; I bought a laptop with Windows 8.1 and, long story short, said “Absolutely not.”
Same with ‘compatibility telemetry runner’ after every update I have to disable it and delete the .exe from system32. None of the permanently disable tricks work. Plus I always have to run “oo shutup” to disable the other privacy stuff. I wish I could switch to another is, but most of my software is windows only.
isn’t WINE for running windows only stuff on linux? or is the software you use actually utilizing some windows specific API?
Yeah I’ve heard Wine has gotten really decent. Maybe I should give it a shot. Change is always a bit hard, when it comes to habits.
absolutely agree on that last part. but yeah, apparently valve really accelerated the development of those translation layers for the steam deck.
For regular gaming experiences, WINE and Proton are brilliant. For some .NET stuff it’s still lacking. On WINE, MusicBee for example lacks proper CJK font redirection and dragging the tabs on it causes MusicBee to throw errors. You might also run into issues gaming if you have certain setups + controllers too.
For some .NET stuff it’s still lacking.
.NET runs natively on Linux now. so newer apps should work fine unless they’re using Windows-specific APIs. For the legacy .NET Framework 4.x, they should work in Mono.
.NET stuff
Have you tried using mono? It does winforms by now though apps doing direct Win32 API calls (bypassing the actual .NET stuff) are iffy no matter what.
Could it be possible to place a read-only dummy .exe in its place? I think FS attributes should be respected by the update process.
They ought to be. You might have to change ownership of the file to some other local user (and disable permission inheritance for that file so admin can’t touch it), but I bet this would work for most use cases except like a system restore.
Ooshutup is wonderful
But don’t you want to have what I’ve come to enjoy: Printer roulette?
Win, “printer”, enter…come on Printer and Scanner control panel, baby wants a new printer queue to kill that stuck job…dammit edge, no I don’t want to search bing for an inkjet.
Win, “printer”…, enter…come on Control Panel, you can do it…HP Smart Panel, you piece of crap
Windows, on my work computer, decided Monday morning was a good time to turn my default pdf reader to Microsoft Edging. Turns out you can’t delete Edging from add or remove programs.
ah i got that too!! I thought it was because monday i updated foxit reader and then for some reason it gave back the default to edge! Instead it was edge that took it back by force without my consent!
They are edging you without consent.
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Ooh microshaft, noo stop
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I like to swing but cntrl+alt+delete means cntrl+alt+delete
foxit reader
That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. I didn’t realise it was still around!
i’m up to using any alternative that isn’t adobe or edge as my default :)
I tried sumatrapdf but while was extremely fast to start, it was too “simple” for me, i need better printing support
i don’t really like foxit reader, they try to push a demo install of the pro version on each update
You should try Okular. It’s on the Microsoft Store.
Doesn’t Okular depend on KDE Frameworks? Didn’t know they can run on Шindows.
That looks nice, I remember that from the time I tried kubuntu
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Search for ‘change default apps’ and move it back to your favorite program, or right click the pdf -> properties -> change program
Thanks but I fixed it. I do appreciate you mentioning this in case others encounter it.
Just you know, I shouldn’t have to do it. I don’t need Microsoft to help me with edging.
Same here
Welcome to Windows update. Where they revert any settings you make to the OS that won’t benefit them.
My next gaming PC’s gonna be Linux.
Yup, me too. Gonna upgrade next year and I’ve had enough shit from MS.
I just played Red Dead Redemption 2 the whole train ride on my Steam Deck that runs on Linux. Bless you Valve!
Windows has really become a bloated mess.
And I’m one of the people who actually liked Windows Vista.
I just made the switch, way smoother than I expected
Congrats. That’s a pretty nice piece of hardware; although, I thought Nintendo made it.
Ha had to reread my messages a few times 😂
good for you
Hope you don’t play anything that uses Windows kernel-level anticheat 🫠
Fuck any game that does
I mean for sure but I play games with my nephews so for me dual booting Windows is worth it, and it’s certainly something to consider when deciding how you’re gonna set up your system, as much as that sucks.
I hope it’ll change on games that do, or they’ll set up a workaround for Linux, but for now if you care about a game that uses it, ysk beforehand so that you can decide whether to dump that game or dual boot.
Why would I even cheat on a game in 2023 anyway?
really looking forward to getting another SSD and just installing linux on it so I don’t have to deal with that kind of bullshit anymore. The bullshit I will be dealing with will not be privacy related, just compatibility related.
Do it. I did that a year ago. Totally worth it.
which distro do you recommend for gaming? I’m looking at fedora games, drauger OS or Pop_OS
I cannot strongly recommend enough pop_os. For reference, it was my last distro of choice, but its been my all time favorite out of 10+ I’ve tried in 2 years
sounds promising! thanks!
Wasn’t really in the market for a new one but guess I’ll be checking it out now n
Pop_OS is fine as long as you don’t try to install Steam :)
I’ve swapped from windows to Pop about a month ago and haven’t had any issues with Steam
My gaming rig is running Nobara Project right now and I’d highly recommend it for gaming centric use.
sounds good! thanks for the recommendation, I’ll have a look :)
I set up a test rig with Fedora to see how the gaming went and didn’t have any issues with Steam or a handful of AAA games. Of note though, my test machine has an AMD GPU so I didn’t have to deal with any Nvidia driver shenanigans.
team red here as well :D
That’s probably the best way to try it. First get comfy and still have a fallback solution if you don’t like it.
When using Microsoft products and accepting their incomprehensible terms and conditions, you have no say and your opinion doesn’t matter.
Group policy doesn’t matter, domain administrator, GPO rules, all of it- none of it matters.
You’ll get dogshit and you will like it. (Friendly reminder that it was extremely overpriced also) That’s the tax you pay for being in their horrible, horrible “ecosystem” from hell. Enjoy! Grease up or take it dry, you’re “taking it” either way.
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You pirate Windows server at work? We got a badass over here :D
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You’re literally the only one talking about buying it, and it’s not YOUR software, it belongs to Microsoft. Your boss just rents it and makes a profit having you work on it.
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Let’s also not forget the update also installed fucking edge again even with registry keys telling it not to. Fuck Microsoft.
PC people: Many of you are now realizing what “Windows as a Service” means. Your OS is harvesting every bit of your data and sending it back to the MS Mothership.
And you’re kind enough to pony up the cash to supply the hardware for it to run on.
I use arch btw
yup it’s true
“Using Gentoo on 4 different architectures” bar is not here because other bars would be invisible if it was.
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See that’s the elephant in the room: you think it’s your personal computer. Microsoft thinks it’s their personal computer.
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If you install windows its a microsoft computer with limited access granted to you. very generous.
The difference between a PC and a console is how open source the OS is
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I wanna make the jump to Linux. I worry about it but maybe there’s a good video tutorial somewhere on it.
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Terminal is no more necessary than command prompt/power shell
It’s rare that steam deck or android users use it
It’s something you should just try and not worry too much about. If things go wrong you can always go back to windows.
Just pick any linux distro, burn the iso into a USB, and boot onto the USB and see how you like it from there
The Kingdom of Torvalds beckons.
