Support from some Pennsylvania Muslim leaders for Josh Shapiro has revealed rifts within the community and highlighted Muslim and Arab-American voters’ desire to center Palestinian rights this election.
I mean at this point Shapiro isn’t even a presumptive nominee, he’s just one of the possible candidates. I think the only reason he’s even being considered is because he might bring in some extra votes in a large swing State.
It’s odd to me that so many Arab voters are leaning towards Stein. As much as we hate it, this is still a two-party nation, and in an election where the votes might be close why would you take any chances in basically throwing away your vote? Personally I would still cast my ballot for the candidate who hasn’t directly threatened my family. Then again polls are not ballots, and as we get closer to November a lot of people’s opinions could still change.
The only thing that matters this election is how many votes Harris gets vs. how many votes Trump gets. You either vote for Harris or against Harris. It’s a sucky reality, but it is reality.
Sorry, not voting for your genocider-of-choice. She can still win over other Arabs and Muslims IF she chooses her VP wisely. She lost me a long time ago.
True enough, but how you are going to convince enough people to change a lifetime of voting habits? I mean I voted 3rd-party in 2016 because it literally doesn’t matter in my district – we vote more than 80% Democrat so a few people changing their vote wasn’t going to matter. However after losing in 2016 to that shitstain I’m simply not willing to take that chance again. I know my one vote still wouldn’t make a difference, but for me the principle this time is voting directly against Trump by voting Dem. And hoping that Conservatives finally realize Trump isn’t a “radical change”, he is just outright insane and doesn’t give a rats ass about anyone who is worth less than tens of millions of dollars, and that the next election provides candidates who aren’t treating people’s lives like a stupid reality show.
If only people would take the Arabs as example and start endorsing a third party instead of pushing back on it. Somewhere a line must be drawn. If not here where?
Sure, lines must be drawn. The problem is that one of the candidates is openly friendly with white-supremists and likes to encourage them to take action without getting his own hands dirty. If this election opens the doors for openly killing anyone of color (you know, even more so than it is now), then we’re really taking a big step backwards and have no hope at all of pressuring our government to start making things right in other countries too. From my perspective, both parties are going to continue this genocide in Pakistan for as long as they can, and if we open the doors to domestic terrorism then none of us have any hope of trying to encourage foreign policy changes.
What’s your solution for the problem? Voting for someone who doesn’t have any chance of getting elected? Or would you rather vote for Trump, who is encouraging complete annihilation of the Gaza strip by Israel to end the conflict overnight, while also vowing to end all support for Ukraine and back Russia in a second genocide? Personally I’m going to cast my vote for a candidate who can prevent Trump from getting back in office again, where there might be a slight chance of pressuring some change in Israeli policy. Unless you can somehow convince 300million Americans to vote 3rd party in the next three months, no other choice has any possibility of helping anyone, and fewer votes against Trump risks a much larger number of people being killed directly by US policy.
Where do YOU draw the line when there’s no way to win no matter how you vote? I draw the line at trying to reduce the number of casualties first through my vote, and then seeing if there’s any way to move forward to make things better.
I really hope not, there are certainly better candidates on her short-list… but unfortunately we don’t really have a say in that part. Guess we’ll find out in a couple of weeks, at least she’s announced her candidates early enough that the shit can hit the fan on the internet and give her a heads-up about certain choices being wildly unpopular.
I will never understand people who vote third party. It’s absolutely not a viable option if you actually care about reforming voting laws (or, you know, stopping fucking fascists from taking over, as the case is in this election)
For me personally it is about dignity. I am not voting for someone who as VP -stood silent- cheered on while their boss enabled the worst genocide of our lifetime and whose likely VP pick volunteered to kill Palestinians and called Palestinians savages. Is this not fascism? Or is fascism is only when bad things happen to white people?
I get the fury. I really do. But consider that, pragmatically, voting 3rd party just increases the chance Trump gets in. And if you don’t think Trump would sortie a squadron or three of B-52s to “help” bibi and carpet bomb Gaza, coincidentally clearing the way for the new Trump Gaza Tower within a week of taking office, you’re honestly kidding yourself.
TL;DR: don’t let emotion blind you. Vote tactically, in a way that offers the most utility, and allows the least harm. And try to look beyond the first-order effects.
The Democratic Party ignoring legitimate grievances increases the chance Trump gets in.
You fear Trump more than we do. Biden is already sending Israel thousands of bombs that have killed over 40,000 people. Over 70% of Gaza is already destroyed. Universities destroyed, hospitals destroyed, water wells and treatment destroyed, polio is epidemic, … You really can’t scare us with Trump being worse. No one is voting for him, but we don’t fear him.
TL;DR: You fear Trump, if you want Arab and Muslim Americans to care like we did in 2020 you have to do much more than Trump will be worse. When we cared and volunteered and donated in 2020 we were rewarded with a genocide.
You can’t really threaten Arab voters with a Muslim ban when someone currently in office is enabling a genocide against their family members. Literally everything else falls by the wayside. That’s the top tier war crime. It’s like being stabbed and someone says watch out, that other guy wants to shoot you. You’re not going to net support for the guy stabbing you that way.
Now saying that, I’m voting for Harris, but I get why Arab American and other voters wouldn’t, but… only if she picked Shapiro or someone like that (like Fetterman but he’s not on the list lol). Otherwise, Harris seems to be better on the issue than Biden, as VP’s don’t have a lot of say in policy unless they’re Dick Cheney and she can easily separate herself from Biden’s policies. And we know Trump will be bad on the issue, he’s also a known quantity. Hopefully Kamala can thread the needle of being a “new” quality on this issue. Although AIPAC probably won’t have that lol.
This is not fascism. It’s vile, but a different type of vileness.
People are in a difficult place right now; the options are: vote for the guy who will make life demonstrably worse for everyone and has a chance of winning, for the woman who doesn’t appear to care about the genocide and has a chance of winning, or voting any other way and effectively wasting your vote because it won’t even make it past the post.
If you saw the images I saw you probably would have developed a whole different perspective. I am not in any way shape or form better than the little girl that got her jaw blown up by a bomb Biden sent Israel. What used to scare me or matter to me has changed significantly.
Heck if Trump throws me in an internment camp at least I will have the excuse of being in an internment camp for not doing anything about the genocide. And if he drops a bomb on my house even better, one less bomb dropped on Palestine. I will gladly send Trump my home address. It won’t be the first time.
I mean at this point Shapiro isn’t even a presumptive nominee, he’s just one of the possible candidates. I think the only reason he’s even being considered is because he might bring in some extra votes in a large swing State.
It’s odd to me that so many Arab voters are leaning towards Stein. As much as we hate it, this is still a two-party nation, and in an election where the votes might be close why would you take any chances in basically throwing away your vote? Personally I would still cast my ballot for the candidate who hasn’t directly threatened my family. Then again polls are not ballots, and as we get closer to November a lot of people’s opinions could still change.
The fact that he is even likely is insulting.
If Democrats want Arab and Muslim votes maybe they shouldn’t even consider someone who volunteers to kill Palestinians and calls them savages as VP?
You’re right… they should vote for Trump. How stupid…
You need glasses
The only thing that matters this election is how many votes Harris gets vs. how many votes Trump gets. You either vote for Harris or against Harris. It’s a sucky reality, but it is reality.
Sorry, not voting for your genocider-of-choice. She can still win over other Arabs and Muslims IF she chooses her VP wisely. She lost me a long time ago.
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Not voting for Trump. Chill, voting isn’t the radical act you think it is. It is certainly not worth breaking any laws for.
If all other people joined the Arabs there would be no more two party system.
True enough, but how you are going to convince enough people to change a lifetime of voting habits? I mean I voted 3rd-party in 2016 because it literally doesn’t matter in my district – we vote more than 80% Democrat so a few people changing their vote wasn’t going to matter. However after losing in 2016 to that shitstain I’m simply not willing to take that chance again. I know my one vote still wouldn’t make a difference, but for me the principle this time is voting directly against Trump by voting Dem. And hoping that Conservatives finally realize Trump isn’t a “radical change”, he is just outright insane and doesn’t give a rats ass about anyone who is worth less than tens of millions of dollars, and that the next election provides candidates who aren’t treating people’s lives like a stupid reality show.
If only people would take the Arabs as example and start endorsing a third party instead of pushing back on it. Somewhere a line must be drawn. If not here where?
Sure, lines must be drawn. The problem is that one of the candidates is openly friendly with white-supremists and likes to encourage them to take action without getting his own hands dirty. If this election opens the doors for openly killing anyone of color (you know, even more so than it is now), then we’re really taking a big step backwards and have no hope at all of pressuring our government to start making things right in other countries too. From my perspective, both parties are going to continue this genocide in Pakistan for as long as they can, and if we open the doors to domestic terrorism then none of us have any hope of trying to encourage foreign policy changes.
So if genocide is not the red line, at what point would you stop voting Democrat?
What’s your solution for the problem? Voting for someone who doesn’t have any chance of getting elected? Or would you rather vote for Trump, who is encouraging complete annihilation of the Gaza strip by Israel to end the conflict overnight, while also vowing to end all support for Ukraine and back Russia in a second genocide? Personally I’m going to cast my vote for a candidate who can prevent Trump from getting back in office again, where there might be a slight chance of pressuring some change in Israeli policy. Unless you can somehow convince 300million Americans to vote 3rd party in the next three months, no other choice has any possibility of helping anyone, and fewer votes against Trump risks a much larger number of people being killed directly by US policy.
Where do YOU draw the line when there’s no way to win no matter how you vote? I draw the line at trying to reduce the number of casualties first through my vote, and then seeing if there’s any way to move forward to make things better.
People need to draw a line somewhere at which point the scale tips over because people refuse to vote for any of the two parties.
My previous question is the answer to your current question. If Kamala Harris promises to nuke Gaza would that prevent you from voting for her?
He is absolutely going to be the nominee.
I really hope not, there are certainly better candidates on her short-list… but unfortunately we don’t really have a say in that part. Guess we’ll find out in a couple of weeks, at least she’s announced her candidates early enough that the shit can hit the fan on the internet and give her a heads-up about certain choices being wildly unpopular.
Oh I hope not too. But Netanyahu talks and the Democratic party listens.
Unfortunately both parties listen to him. It’s all rather disgusting.
I will never understand people who vote third party. It’s absolutely not a viable option if you actually care about reforming voting laws (or, you know, stopping fucking fascists from taking over, as the case is in this election)
For me personally it is about dignity. I am not voting for someone who as VP
-stood silent-cheered on while their boss enabled the worst genocide of our lifetime and whose likely VP pick volunteered to kill Palestinians and called Palestinians savages. Is this not fascism? Or is fascism is only when bad things happen to white people?Goes without saying not voting for Trump either.
I get the fury. I really do. But consider that, pragmatically, voting 3rd party just increases the chance Trump gets in. And if you don’t think Trump would sortie a squadron or three of B-52s to “help” bibi and carpet bomb Gaza, coincidentally clearing the way for the new Trump Gaza Tower within a week of taking office, you’re honestly kidding yourself.
TL;DR: don’t let emotion blind you. Vote tactically, in a way that offers the most utility, and allows the least harm. And try to look beyond the first-order effects.
The Democratic Party ignoring legitimate grievances increases the chance Trump gets in.
You fear Trump more than we do. Biden is already sending Israel thousands of bombs that have killed over 40,000 people. Over 70% of Gaza is already destroyed. Universities destroyed, hospitals destroyed, water wells and treatment destroyed, polio is epidemic, … You really can’t scare us with Trump being worse. No one is voting for him, but we don’t fear him.
TL;DR: You fear Trump, if you want Arab and Muslim Americans to care like we did in 2020 you have to do much more than Trump will be worse. When we cared and volunteered and donated in 2020 we were rewarded with a genocide.
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You can’t really threaten Arab voters with a Muslim ban when someone currently in office is enabling a genocide against their family members. Literally everything else falls by the wayside. That’s the top tier war crime. It’s like being stabbed and someone says watch out, that other guy wants to shoot you. You’re not going to net support for the guy stabbing you that way.
Now saying that, I’m voting for Harris, but I get why Arab American and other voters wouldn’t, but… only if she picked Shapiro or someone like that (like Fetterman but he’s not on the list lol). Otherwise, Harris seems to be better on the issue than Biden, as VP’s don’t have a lot of say in policy unless they’re Dick Cheney and she can easily separate herself from Biden’s policies. And we know Trump will be bad on the issue, he’s also a known quantity. Hopefully Kamala can thread the needle of being a “new” quality on this issue. Although AIPAC probably won’t have that lol.
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I apologize for my previous insensitivity
This is not fascism. It’s vile, but a different type of vileness.
People are in a difficult place right now; the options are: vote for the guy who will make life demonstrably worse for everyone and has a chance of winning, for the woman who doesn’t appear to care about the genocide and has a chance of winning, or voting any other way and effectively wasting your vote because it won’t even make it past the post.
If you saw the images I saw you probably would have developed a whole different perspective. I am not in any way shape or form better than the little girl that got her jaw blown up by a bomb Biden sent Israel. What used to scare me or matter to me has changed significantly.
Heck if Trump throws me in an internment camp at least I will have the excuse of being in an internment camp for not doing anything about the genocide. And if he drops a bomb on my house even better, one less bomb dropped on Palestine. I will gladly send Trump my home address. It won’t be the first time.
If you’re not voting for Harris, then you’re voting for Trump.
Voting 3rd party nets you 3 votes apparently:
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