Mr Zelenksy said there needed to be "tangible coercion of Russia" into peace by Kyiv's allies.

Mr Zelenksy said there needed to be “tangible coercion of Russia” into peace by Kyiv’s allies.

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  • @krashmo@lemmy.world
    4•6 months ago

    I admittedly haven’t been following this conflict all that closely but it was my understanding that we had already imposed some pretty significant sanctions on Russia and provided substantial monetary and logistical aid to the Ukrainian armed forces. That seems like it should fall under any reasonable definition of “tangible coercion”.

    • @bstix@feddit.dkEnglish
      4•6 months ago

      It’s difficult to find any reliable overview of how much has totally been spent on either side, but as far as I can gather from searching, it appears that even including all the donations for Ukraine, Russia has put about double the amount of money into the war than Ukraine.

      Russia recently mentioned options for a ceasefire and basically claiming victory of the “special military operation” with current frontline borders. This is likely just an attempt to win time to restock, meaning that they’re running low.

      So while the donations are quite large amounts, it has actually been surprisingly cheap for western countries to let Russia deplete it’s war materials this way.

    • @Dasus@lemmy.world
      0•6 months ago

      That seems like it should fall under any reasonable definition of “tangible coercion”.

      It does yeah, but political speak needs to be as neutral as possible. Obviously Zelensky is saying “more tangible coercion”. What form that should take, idk, but I understand what he means.

      We can increase pressure on Putler, and have to, because Russia wins in a war of attrition. It’s their fking specialty.

      • @awwwyissss@lemm.ee
        2•6 months ago

        I don’t think the Kremlin can wage a war of attrition like Russia did in the past, and it certainly can’t like the USSR.

        They’re burning through leftovers from the USSR and not replacing them. They’re in a demographic crunch even without the war, and the Kremlin’s mobilization was deeply unpopular.

        Their economy is running hot in an unsustainable way. As long as Ukraine can keep pulling support from other democracies more than the Kremlin pulls it from other dictatorships, I think time is on Ukraine’s side.

        • @Dasus@lemmy.world
          2•6 months ago

          I think time is on Ukraine’s side.

          I really do hope you’re right. Ukraine does have a sizable population as well, so it’s not like they’re running out of troops right away.

          Still, one should never underestimate Russia. It is deep, vast and very much brainwashed. Also they’re doing the whole “hiring people out of other countries with false promises” thing.

          I really, really do hope youre right. If we could get Ukraine’s accession to the EU through, it would be so much easier. We could actually help them, and Russia would have to consider who it would be going to active war with. (Fucking pussies and their shadow wars.)