I dont know what you mean by “what’s coming to them”. Right now it seems like there are no consequences for their actions, so nothing is coming to them.
I believe Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, and other military leaders have committed grave war crimes. They should be tried in international court and given a life sentence.
I also believe the Israeli state owes a gigantic financial debt for the destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure. Israel has systemically destroyed water treatment, electricity production, schools, hospitals, residential buildings, etc. and they should rebuild it all.
But I do not believe violence is part of the answer. We need permanent ceasefire, we need truth and reconciliation, we need justice. Any post-ceasefire violence is unacceptable, whether it be against Israelis or Palestinians.
But I do not believe violence is part of the answer. We need permanent ceasefire, we need truth and reconciliation, we need justice. Any post-ceasefire violence is unacceptable, whether it be against Israelis or Palestinians.
Just checking, what is Joe Biden’s role in all this?
Did German citizens in the 1940s deserve what was coming to them?
Perhaps not, or at least certainly not all of them. And yet Hitler was lawfully elected, which means many of them voted for him. Netanyahu and Likud were also lawfully elected.
The question is, what responsibility do voters in a democracy hold for the actions of their democratically elected government? If fair and lawful elections are held, and the voters elect a government that enacts genocide, are those voters liable? Historically the answer to that question has been no. But is that the correct answer? If so, then should American Trump voters also be held liable for his national crimes? What about voters for George W. Bush?
Perhaps greater responsibility would cause the world’s voters to be more selective in whom they support.
I don’t know man, the situation in Isreal is part of the fallout of hitlers actions. Seems like that should factor in. The mistake people are making is that there is only an illusion of choice and a vote for a president actually factors in very little in the grand scheme. A president does have some limited power but they are enabled by their party. If we look at the parties who’ve done the most damage I would tip the scale one way, every time.
To answer your question should people be responsible for the illusion of choice of a president? Fuck no.
Should they use their vote to resist the spread of white supremecy and authoritianism, yes.
Voting seemingly cannot change a system that produces results where a superpower is owned by billionaires and genocide is supported if it enriches the military industrial complex
Which means that the working class seemingly must consider other avenues of structural reform. What alternatives remain?
Voters can vote for Biden and maintain the stagnant and declining United States. Which will prolong our declining living standards and eroding global power
Or they can vote for Trump, who will destroy the United States, and the West along with it.
Neither is an option that will improve conditions for normal Americans. They can experience obliteration over 30 years, or experience it all at once. Either way, their living standards will continue to decline, as they have for the past 30 years. No option will ever be presented in the voting booth that will reverse our national decline.
And not all Gazans are Hamas, but the death toll is over 30k and people are starting to starve to death.
Would your position then be Israelis have what’s coming to them?
I dont know what you mean by “what’s coming to them”. Right now it seems like there are no consequences for their actions, so nothing is coming to them.
I believe Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, and other military leaders have committed grave war crimes. They should be tried in international court and given a life sentence.
I also believe the Israeli state owes a gigantic financial debt for the destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure. Israel has systemically destroyed water treatment, electricity production, schools, hospitals, residential buildings, etc. and they should rebuild it all.
But I do not believe violence is part of the answer. We need permanent ceasefire, we need truth and reconciliation, we need justice. Any post-ceasefire violence is unacceptable, whether it be against Israelis or Palestinians.
Just checking, what is Joe Biden’s role in all this?
I think Joe Bidens role should be in the cell next to Netanyahu.
But more realistically, I think Biden should step out of the way and let the international courts do their job.
Mmhmm
Did German citizens in the 1940s deserve what was coming to them?
Perhaps not, or at least certainly not all of them. And yet Hitler was lawfully elected, which means many of them voted for him. Netanyahu and Likud were also lawfully elected.
The question is, what responsibility do voters in a democracy hold for the actions of their democratically elected government? If fair and lawful elections are held, and the voters elect a government that enacts genocide, are those voters liable? Historically the answer to that question has been no. But is that the correct answer? If so, then should American Trump voters also be held liable for his national crimes? What about voters for George W. Bush?
Perhaps greater responsibility would cause the world’s voters to be more selective in whom they support.
I don’t know man, the situation in Isreal is part of the fallout of hitlers actions. Seems like that should factor in. The mistake people are making is that there is only an illusion of choice and a vote for a president actually factors in very little in the grand scheme. A president does have some limited power but they are enabled by their party. If we look at the parties who’ve done the most damage I would tip the scale one way, every time.
To answer your question should people be responsible for the illusion of choice of a president? Fuck no.
Should they use their vote to resist the spread of white supremecy and authoritianism, yes.
Then Israel needs to be opposed, as do all ethnostates and genocidal regimes
And how do you do that with your vote?
Voting seemingly cannot change a system that produces results where a superpower is owned by billionaires and genocide is supported if it enriches the military industrial complex
Which means that the working class seemingly must consider other avenues of structural reform. What alternatives remain?
We were talking about the vote. You’re on to other things. Sorry I’m out.
Voters can vote for Biden and maintain the stagnant and declining United States. Which will prolong our declining living standards and eroding global power
Or they can vote for Trump, who will destroy the United States, and the West along with it.
Neither is an option that will improve conditions for normal Americans. They can experience obliteration over 30 years, or experience it all at once. Either way, their living standards will continue to decline, as they have for the past 30 years. No option will ever be presented in the voting booth that will reverse our national decline.
Given that, what is to be done?