I have made none of those points you ask me to defend?

I’m not asking you to defend anything. I’m waiting for you to give the reasoning you promised me, the reasoning of why it is prudent that “steak” shall cease to refer to meat products, and meat products only. Why we should treat this instance any differently than when saying that if you write “strawberry” on jam there need to be strawberries in it, and at least so and so much percent.

You are done and not entertaining, just worrying.

I’m not here to entertain you but to make you back up your claims with sound reasoning. Believe it or not, I do that as a service to veganism: I harbour no ill will, I want you folks to do better. I’m flexi and when I read shit like “I stopped veganism because my period stopped” I pity you. Vegans, of all people, should be on fucking top of nutritional science.

And that, btw, is not intended to make you defend anything, either. I just wanted to give my motive. Yes, a vegan diet can be 110% healthy. You also need to be thorough with it, and not reflexively deflect critique with “But it’s morally the right thing!”: Because that’s how you end up not being thorough enough, thus incur health damage, thus discourage others from trying it for themselves (they may share your morals, but are apprehensive), and also fuel the flames of idiots who think it’s outrageous that there’s a “vegan” label on their bag of frozen veggies. I’d be fucking worried if that bag wasn’t vegan.

We didn’t speak about nutrition at all – but it’s the same pattern. In another thread possibly on another site I dealt with a vegan claiming that there’s no such thing as essential amino acids, which is utter bunk: There are. With a half-way balanced diet you don’t need to worry, but they didn’t want to believe in it because they somehow considered it an attack on veganism. They understood “make sure you eat healthy” as “vegans are necessarily malnourished”. They could not give a reasoning of how they came to that association: Same as you can’t give me a reasoning as to how you came to the conclusion that it must be permitted to call saitan steak because otherwise… what? What’s the danger to veganism that is incurred by not being able to use the word “steak” for what you eat? Is the future of the world depending on it?

And you don’t even have to tell me. Just figure out and know for yourself and believe it or not, the world will become a little bit of a better place because there’s going to be a bit more self-knowledge. And with that I’ve given you the deep motive behind the superficial one. If that approach worries you that’s understandable: Humanity doesn’t know jackshit about itself and that lack is indeed scary. People might even attack you for knowing yourself, out of jealousy. But that shouldn’t stop you from looking, that’d be defeatism.