• PugJesus
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    05 months ago

    If that were the case, we would have been a fascist state long ago.

    • Flying Squid
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      05 months ago

      There are multiple steps toward fascism and shutting down the border is absolutely one of them.

      • PugJesus
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        -15 months ago

        I don’t think we agree on what fascism is, then.

        • Flying Squid
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          05 months ago

          It hits at least two points on Eco’s 14 features of fascism-

          1. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

          2. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”

          https://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html

          • PugJesus
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            -15 months ago

            There’s a reason that’s it’s 14 points, and not 2 points. I can name any number of things that fit individual points or small combinations of points, yet are very distinctly not fascism or a step towards fascism. Fascism is a movement, an ideology, a worldview, not a single policy.

            • Flying Squid
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              15 months ago

              A movement that Republicans embrace, so how many concessions should they be given?

              • PugJesus
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                -15 months ago

                As I said, any number of concessions on policy that do not increase their power (ie capitulation to fascism).

                • Flying Squid
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                  15 months ago

                  Giving them what they want does increase their power.

                  Do you think they’re going to allow the border to be opened again and asylum seekers allowed in again one of these days because they love immigrants so much?

                  • PugJesus
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                    -15 months ago

                    Giving them what they want does increase their power.

                    93% of Americans share some concern about border. Do your really think holding out on behalf of principles and us 7% of sane individuals strengthens the non-fascists, in a democratic system?

                    Do you think they’re going to allow the border to be opened again and asylum seekers allowed in again one of these days because they love immigrants so much?

                    … do you think that’s what the current compromise bill being proposed does? And do you think that any policy enacted will be unable to be repealed under a non-fascist government?