• JasSmith
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    -31 year ago

    This is not true, though it depends what you mean by “work.” For example, this study found no statistically significant increase in employment. UBI puts unconditional money in the hands of more people. That can be seen as a good thing in and off itself, but it has hardly proven to improve quality of life metrics across the board. Much more research is required for this.

    I support UBI, but I think we are many decades away from public support. The reason is that any moves to implement it today will require a) huge tax increases, and b) blocking politicians buying welfare votes. The first is incredibly unpopular today. By the latter I mean that the current welfare system is a maze of tax credits, incentives, and election bribes. More money for special interest groups, or the disabled, or the elderly. One of the reasons UBI can work is stripping the HUGE administrative overhead from the system and giving every adult the exact same money. I just don’t think these special interest groups will accept this. They’ll demand their group be given more money. They’ll demand that parents be given more money, or the disabled, or the elderly. And politicians will acquiesce. Then we’re back to the same broken, corrupt welfare system but now it costs 5x as much.

        • @SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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          31 year ago

          OK, I did. It still says what it did before. You state that UBI didn’t significantly increase employment, and then equated that with quality of life.

          • JasSmith
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            -21 year ago

            and then equated that with quality of life.

            No I didn’t. It would help if you would just accept what I am telling you is my argument instead of weak-ass gotchas.

            • @SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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              11 year ago

              How is this supposed to be some “gotcha?” You claimed that UBI did not increase quality of life with your only source stating that it had no effect on employment. What does employment inherently have to do with quality of life?

              • JasSmith
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                I didn’t claim work is a requirement for QOL. Instead of addressing my comment, you’re hyper-focusing on a grammatical disagreement which is completely immaterial. Since you lack any substantive disagreement, I take this to mean you agree with my premise.

                • @SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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                  11 year ago

                  Since you’re being so disingenuous, I’m just going to assume no argument you make us done in good faith. Fuck along, now.

    • Maeve
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      21 year ago

      Whatever will we do?! We can’t possibly require billionaires and corporations to pay their fair share!

    • @shalafi@lemmy.world
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      11 year ago

      Reasonable opinion that’s not completely, unflinchingly left-wing? Here? Go to the penalty box and think about what you’ve done.

      Seriously, I had not considered what interest groups would do.

      The right: “How come them lazy blacks get the same I get?!”

      The left: “How come privileged whites get the same as black people?”

      • JasSmith
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        -11 year ago

        The right: “How come them lazy blacks get the same I get?!”

        The left: “How come privileged whites get the same as black people?”

        Great examples! Both of these would be popular narratives, and whoever wins would end up putting their thumb on the “UBI” scales.