With more than a year to go before the 2024 election, a constellation of conservative organizations is preparing for a possible second White House term for Donald Trump.
Just because we might know more moderate ones in our lives and thus be reluctant to lump them in with the extremists by using the same term doesn’t mean they’re not still conservative
Conservatism is garbage and these shits are a great example as to why
The point is the conservative political ideology is against significant change in society. The current GOP wants radical and regressive changes. Aside from fascist, they should probably be more accurately called reactionary or regressive
They’re only regressive to us. They’re still trying to conserve the Confederacy and white supremacy.
From that point of view, letting dark skinned people and women vote is radical and the 1950s are recent enough they have every intention of conserving its values.
To put it another way, conservative in the U.S. is a synonym for MAGA because blacks not being able to vote is the good old days.
And there’s no such thing as a moderate conservative, unless you believe supporting white supremacy can be a moderate position in 2023.
The conservative political ideology has always been reactionarily preserving the status quo of power and control. The current GOP’s regressive behavior is a natural outflowing of that. They want a return to a time that never existed, that they only perceived as privileged children. Where people like themselves were perceived to have control and power. And they will gladly destroy every last vestige of that actual era. To empower anyone that promises to deliver the fantasy.
The point is the conservative political ideology is against significant change in society.
No it isn’t; that’s just what they tell people in order to pretend there’s any redeeming quality to it.
In actuality, the conservative political ideology is in support of hierarchical autocratic power, and they are perfectly happy to make significant changes moving society in that direction.
I’m talking about the semantics of the name, not the group. They’re “conservatives” as a group label, but they aren’t conservative by definition. The very label is an oxymoron.
But maybe that fits since the members are regular morons.
Conservatism as a concept isn’t inherently garbage.
Nothing good in history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing at all.
Left unchecked, conservatism always devolves into an oppressive government.
These truisms have been proven time and time again throughout history. Conservatism is definitely trash. It is harmful and has no place in a modern society.
The EPA was a Conservative idea. The Space Race was begun by absolute maniac hardliner conservatives. Ending political Patronage was originally a conservative idea (Pendleton was pro-confederacy and fought against the 13th amendment!)
It’s more accurate to say conservatives ran out of ideas around 1970 and anything good they’ve done since then has largely been on accident.
The EPA was a bad-faith conservative answer to the progressive push for regulation. Conservatives were getting angry at all the new regulations popping up limiting the pollution of their biggest donors. By establishing the EPA, Nixon was able to direct all new “progress” through it, thereby stopping the deluge of other regulations. It was created as a trick by a president who was notorious for his tricks.
It was a famously bad-faith endeavor to usurp progress, signed by a disgraced president who became famous for his deception and manipulation. Strange how conservatives keep choosing con men as their most accurate representatives.
Very consistently, under conservative leaders (including Nixon), the EPA’s rules become extremely flexible, forgiving and minimal compared to when Democrats are in power. What a coincidence!
The space race was not the brain-child of a conservative at all. It was green-lit by conservatives who saw an opportunity for fame, glory and money, but it was not a conservative idea nor a conservative project at all.
I didn’t know enough about political patronage, so I had to look that up. Basically, it’s giving political appointments to friends and family after winning a major election (like president). Holy shit. You used that as an example of conservatives doing something good?! Hahaha. Wow! Trump is the walking personification of political patronage.
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
What exactly is it that you think conservatives have been trying to conserve all this time? They are definitely conservative. You might not be. But the term is absolutely accurate to apply to them.
I think it’s wrong to imply the conservative base is mislead somehow, or that they were tricked into being conservatives
They were fed dog whistles, yes, but that’s because what they ordered was outright racism and what the metaphorical restaurant served them was dog whistles.
No, it’s about how your party and how they want to bring about Trump’s racist US. Since you don’t like being called on remaining in a openly racist traitor party, you made a feeble attempt to distract by talking about Democrats. That’s whataboutism.
I wish we could stop calling them “conservatives,” because they’re anything but.
Far-right fascist extremists just doesn’t roll off the tongue as well. “Magats” does, though.
There were also some good ideas in how to deal with those types back in the 1930s and 40s. Maybe we should look into that.
They most certainly are conservatives
Just because we might know more moderate ones in our lives and thus be reluctant to lump them in with the extremists by using the same term doesn’t mean they’re not still conservative
Conservatism is garbage and these shits are a great example as to why
The point is the conservative political ideology is against significant change in society. The current GOP wants radical and regressive changes. Aside from fascist, they should probably be more accurately called reactionary or regressive
They’re only regressive to us. They’re still trying to conserve the Confederacy and white supremacy.
From that point of view, letting dark skinned people and women vote is radical and the 1950s are recent enough they have every intention of conserving its values.
To put it another way, conservative in the U.S. is a synonym for MAGA because blacks not being able to vote is the good old days.
And there’s no such thing as a moderate conservative, unless you believe supporting white supremacy can be a moderate position in 2023.
The conservative political ideology has always been reactionarily preserving the status quo of power and control. The current GOP’s regressive behavior is a natural outflowing of that. They want a return to a time that never existed, that they only perceived as privileged children. Where people like themselves were perceived to have control and power. And they will gladly destroy every last vestige of that actual era. To empower anyone that promises to deliver the fantasy.
No it isn’t; that’s just what they tell people in order to pretend there’s any redeeming quality to it.
In actuality, the conservative political ideology is in support of hierarchical autocratic power, and they are perfectly happy to make significant changes moving society in that direction.
I’m talking about the semantics of the name, not the group. They’re “conservatives” as a group label, but they aren’t conservative by definition. The very label is an oxymoron.
But maybe that fits since the members are regular morons.
Conservatism as a concept isn’t inherently garbage. These people aren’t just conservatives though. They are fascists.
Nothing good in history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing at all.
Left unchecked, conservatism always devolves into an oppressive government.
These truisms have been proven time and time again throughout history. Conservatism is definitely trash. It is harmful and has no place in a modern society.
The EPA was a Conservative idea. The Space Race was begun by absolute maniac hardliner conservatives. Ending political Patronage was originally a conservative idea (Pendleton was pro-confederacy and fought against the 13th amendment!)
It’s more accurate to say conservatives ran out of ideas around 1970 and anything good they’ve done since then has largely been on accident.
Let’s dance.
The EPA was a bad-faith conservative answer to the progressive push for regulation. Conservatives were getting angry at all the new regulations popping up limiting the pollution of their biggest donors. By establishing the EPA, Nixon was able to direct all new “progress” through it, thereby stopping the deluge of other regulations. It was created as a trick by a president who was notorious for his tricks.
It was a famously bad-faith endeavor to usurp progress, signed by a disgraced president who became famous for his deception and manipulation. Strange how conservatives keep choosing con men as their most accurate representatives.
Very consistently, under conservative leaders (including Nixon), the EPA’s rules become extremely flexible, forgiving and minimal compared to when Democrats are in power. What a coincidence!
The space race was not the brain-child of a conservative at all. It was green-lit by conservatives who saw an opportunity for fame, glory and money, but it was not a conservative idea nor a conservative project at all.
I didn’t know enough about political patronage, so I had to look that up. Basically, it’s giving political appointments to friends and family after winning a major election (like president). Holy shit. You used that as an example of conservatives doing something good?! Hahaha. Wow! Trump is the walking personification of political patronage.
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
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Conservatives formed the Confederacy to protect their racist beliefs, this is on par with how they always have been.
I feel like you’re making it too easy for conservatives if you just distance the people associating with them.
What exactly is it that you think conservatives have been trying to conserve all this time? They are definitely conservative. You might not be. But the term is absolutely accurate to apply to them.
Nah, you’ve fallen for their lies.
The truth is that this is what conservatism always was. Conservatism is an unbroken thread from monarchists to Confederates to Nazis to Trump.
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As someone who went through highschool when Slipknot was blowing up, hell I’m listening to them right this second, I deplore the term Magat.
For those unaware, the Slipknot fans are referred to as maggots, hence songs like “Pulse of the Maggots” having a less grotesque meaning.
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He speaks to the base, which has been fed racist dog whistles since long before Trump.
And if you can’t see how MAGA is a dog whistle for white supremacy you may want to examine your conservative values.
I think it’s wrong to imply the conservative base is mislead somehow, or that they were tricked into being conservatives
They were fed dog whistles, yes, but that’s because what they ordered was outright racism and what the metaphorical restaurant served them was dog whistles.
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Am I in a thread about Democrats?
No, it’s about how your party and how they want to bring about Trump’s racist US. Since you don’t like being called on remaining in a openly racist traitor party, you made a feeble attempt to distract by talking about Democrats. That’s whataboutism.
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There’s a whole Wikipedia article dedicated to just this topic. With over 450 citations.
Assuming you asked in good faith, of course. Which I’m actually not. The link is for anyone on the fence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump?wprov=sfla1
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