• Crash between two motorcycles is such an edge case it doesn’t even matter. Car hitting a motorcycle is the leading cause of death and ijury for motorcycle. The person operating the machine most capable of killing others is responsible for not killing others

      • thats a reduction of the topic beyond whats reasonable. I did not say that motrcyclists were not responsible for their own safety. What I have said is that car drivers are also responsible for rider safety.

        Motorcycles are most dangerous to the operator, the operator must take responsibility for their safety.

        Cars are most dangerous to everyone who is not the operator, therefore the operator is responsible for their safety too.