• @Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social
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    So just doubling down on blind assertions? The lack of intellectual integrity is astounding.

    To win, Harris does not need to take votes from Trump. She can win by taking votes from Independents and currently non-voters.

    The evidence is that this group would vote for her if she changed policy on arms sales to Israel.

    There is no evidence of a similar sized group of currently committed Democrats who would not vote for her if she changed policy on arms sales to Israel.

    As such, there is no evidence for your claim that she needs to keep this policy to win and what evidence there is suggests the opposite.

    That’s how evidence works, your theory is supposed to respond to it.

    Trump’s voters want Gaza gone

    No they don’t. The polls suggest they are about 50/50 on the matter. Again, evidence helps us here rather than just spewing whatever we reckon.

    For Harris to come out now to support Gaza over Israel would mean two things. Those who might have been leaning away from Trump for other reasons will have cause to go ahead and vote for him.

    No. Again, there’s no evidence from polling of a significant group who would do this.

    Harris will lose votes from those who support Israel. Believe it or not, there are plenty of Democrats who also wouldn’t mind if Gaza would just go ahead and die, already

    No. Again the actual evidence shows over 60% of Democrats want arms sales to Israel banned, and only a tiny percentage actually want them maintained (the rest undecided). The figures are even higher in Michigan, as an example of a key swing state.

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      The evidence is that this group would vote for her if she changed policy on arms sales to Israel.

      The evidence is that if they don’t vote for her then they’re going to get Trump who will absolutely destroy Gaza (and the U.S.) If they don’t vote for her or don’t vote at all then they are fucking morons. They will take their moral convictions to their graves.

      • @Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social
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        12 hours ago

        The evidence is that if they don’t vote for her then they’re going to get Trump

        Yes. That’s right. And it’s entirely Harris’s fault. No one else’s. She could change policy and earn their vote. She doesn’t, and so hands the election to Trump.

        Yet you’re such a sycophant that instead of outrage at her, you’re outraged at the voters whom you think somehow owe her a vote. You’re outraged at the people practising democracy for not falling into line with the authoritarians trying to undermine it.

        Harris will win more votes than she will lose if she changes policy on arms sales to Israel. That is what the evidence shows - overwhelming support for such a policy among previously Democrat voters and abstainers in key states.

        Candidates changing policy to meet voter’s expectations is exactly how democracy functions, even flawed ones like the US normally vaguely track voter preferences.

        So if Harris changed policy she would not worsen her support, nor would she be doing anything other than her job.

        The fact that she isn’t will be the single fact responsible for a Trump win, if he wins. Nothing else. Every other person involved would have been acting accordingly, only the Harris team are out of line.

        They are acting undemocratically, and probably illegally, backing a genocide. And you’re defending them, and attacking the people supporting democracy and peace…